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Eng/Tranny oil change, stuff I forgot from last time.

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  1. Mozella

    Mozella Formula Junior

    Mar 24, 2013
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    Last time I changed the engine and transmission oil in my 360 Modena, I made myself a detailed checklist. This time, I worked from memory, which turned out to be less than perfect.
    There are two drain plugs for the engine oil. A glance at the configuration would lead one (me at least) to believe that the forward drain would produce the most oil. So that's where I put my big pan, saving the smaller of the pans for the aft plug. Well, the aft plug is where most of the oil comes out, so as the smaller pan reached its full capacity, I had to re-insert the drain plug. Dang! Removing a plug when the oil is hot is bad enough, but putting it back in while scalding oil is pouring out is no fun at all.

    Lesson re-learned: Use your large oil drain pan in the back.

    I also changed the transmission oil and remembering something I read somewhere, I decided to be sure I could break loose the filler plug before I drained the oil. If you need to take the car to a specialist to remove the filler plug, you best not drain the oil first. But what I didn't remember was that to gain access to the plug, I had to move the lower intake box out of the way. That means that you also have to remove at least the left hand engine compartment trim piece. None of this is hard with the car on the ground, but mine was already pretty high up on jack stands before I started this job. So I found myself standing on a tool box and cursing a lot. When I finished, my back was aching.

    Lesson re-learned: Remove whatever is necessary to gain access to the transmission filler plug BEFORE you raise the car.
     
  2. OUMick

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    Sounds like something I would do.
     
  3. English Rebel

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    When I had my rear main oil seal changes they drained all of the oil. I asked the service advisor why and he told me that the main oil "sump" is actually in the transmission but I guess you found that out the hard way. :)
    Alan
     
  4. Mozella

    Mozella Formula Junior

    Mar 24, 2013
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    No, ............... I knew it last time, I just didn't remember it this time. Old age is Hell.
     
  5. SCKOMS

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    Re: the gearbox filter, I have heard stories and seen photos of the filter never being cleaned as part of the routine service. If I wanted to remove and clean my filter, would I need to drain and refill the transmission oil? I suppose I could call the tech at the dealership and ash if they do it.. . .
     
  6. Mozella

    Mozella Formula Junior

    Mar 24, 2013
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    Draining the transmission oil is the easy part. The hard part is having to remove the rear bumper to get the transmission pump screen out. That explains why many 360 transmission pump screens have never been cleaned. It also explains why your dealership service manager will want to charge an arm and a leg to do a job which the Ferrari designers made WAY harder than it should have been.

    Many owners (including me) cut a small hole in the side of the diffuser so the screen can be extracted with the bumper in place. That might be a good idea even if you hire a mechanic to do the job.

    Search on this forum for detailed instructions on making this modification if you're interested. It's pretty simple and is well worth the effort.
     
  7. SCKOMS

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    Sorry I should have specified. ..I have a 430 so I think access to the screen is pretty easy once you remove the diffuser.
     
  8. Black360

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    #8 Black360, Aug 19, 2014
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    Details related to changing engine and gear oil (such as how much fluid one can expect from the front and rear plugs) can be found here:

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/141917315-post2.html
    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/141917269-post10.html

    I can never remember anything anymore, which is why I wrote the document.
     
  9. SCKOMS

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    Back to my question if anyone can help...If I want to clean the transmission oil screen on my 430, will I need to drain and replace the fluid?
     
  10. Spurkey

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  11. English Rebel

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    I too cut a 2⅜" diameter hole in the rear diffuser and purchased one of the plugs that goes in the luggage compartment that covers the front bumper bolts. My indie mechanic changed my transmission fluid and easily pulled the screen (he had already taken the under tray off) and when we checked it there were aluminum shavings in it was well as white sealer. The aluminum was probably from the casing machining process (the manufacturer didn't do a good job of cleaning the casing before assembly).
    Alan
     
  12. SCKOMS

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    I understand, but I thought it was a generic question, not so much HOW do I do it, but do I need to drain the oil...
     
  13. GaryR

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    Alan - do you have a picture of the hole you made? I'm thinking a large diameter hole saw and matching plug would work but i'm unclear as to the location as I haven't had the car up on my lift yet. I'll be doing all oils this winter during hibernation.

    Thanks
     
  14. Black360

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    Would be great if someone could give the coordinates for the center of the hole.

    Thanks.
     
  15. Mozella

    Mozella Formula Junior

    Mar 24, 2013
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    Coordinates would be tricky because accurate measurements and reference points are difficult to nail down. It's much easier and safer to get the lower tray off and get your fingers and eyeballs on the parts.

    Go to the DIY sticky section and find the "transmission filter" thread. There are several approaches for cutting the hole and pictures too. On the second page I recommend the use of a Dremmel tool to drill a 1/8" hole where you think the center is. Then probe the hole with a piece of stiff wire to see how close you got to the center of the screen assembly. Compensate one direction or the other as appropriate and position a WD-40 cap in just the right place. Mark around it and cut the hole with either a hole saw mounted on a 90 deg drill or, as I did, cut the hole with the Dremmel tool using an 1/8" side cutting bit.

    My 35mm hole is the absolute minimum size and even requires a small notch on one edge to accommodate the mounting tab on the plastic screen holder.

    It doesn't matter if the hole is not quite centered and it matters not where the notch is since you can both cant the screen assembly a little bit as you slide it out and rotate it as necessary. The 35mm hole can be plugged with the rubber plug used to cover the reset button located near the drivers left knee (LHD car).
     

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