360 oil change woes

Lots of issues here. The torque spec is wrong. The magnetic plug is brass so it strips before the plate. BUT several people have stripped the plate so it is possible.

If you stripped the plate I would order the new plate and a new plug. Then I would be done.

 

If you're referring to the rear oil change plug getting stripped.. i.e.. the part here:

Ferrari Parts : 171045 PLATE COVER FOR GEARBOX (LOC-01) : Ricambi America

Just get the uprated $150 Hill engineering part, install it and torque the new plug by feel. Just tight enough not to leak. If you helicoil it you're always going to wonder if you should have just done the replacement part. Do it right the first time.

 

100 ft-lbs is an insane amount for a drain plug. It has to be wrong, no? Glad it worked out.

 

I always thought finger tight and a quick nip with a spanner.
It's all I have ever done.

 

Just tighten until u can't tighten.
Don't ever force .

 

+1 Does seem that way, unless it's another Ferrari way of making more money.

 

I haven't changed the oil on a 360, but the number that I remember off the top of my head for my other cars is around 14 ft/lbs. No way its 100 or even 50 ft/lbs.

 

100 inch pounds?

 

Do it right the first time? Helicoils are FAA approved and I have installed hundreds with perfect results. Ferrari puts them in at the factory in nearly all the high torque fastening points and most of the drain plug holes so what is not correct about the use of a helicoil?

 

Seems to me no one here has read the manual. Any familiarity with it would lead to the knowledge that they have never used US torque specs.

The torque spec for the drain plugs is 75nm. 75nm x .737 = 55 lbs./ft

I have no idea if that is a correct number but it sounds awfully high. Ferrari manuals are full of errors. I have never in my life used a torque wrench on a drain plug. Any drain plug using a crushable copper or aluminum seal needs to be torqued just enough to get the seal to yield and no more. The 360 magnetic drain plugs are a terrible design and fail at just a few percent over that yield point.

 

I believe you that its an application that works. However..

I just don't advocate fixing things to other than factory spec part. For $150 to me its too cheap not to just replace the panel. I don't remember seeing the steel insert on that particular panel when I did the oil change last..

 

Cannot remember seeing a single Helicoil. I wrench quite a bit on the 360 / F430.....

 

This to me at least, sounds like someone knows what their talking about.

 

I guess you have a little less experience on them then.

 

That one did not. Have a look at the tens of thousands of 308/328 oil pans and transmission oil pans produced. The helicoil installed at the factory has a part number of 112254. That one part number has nearly 50 applications. 13525770 is another helicoil number for a helicoil installed in brand new cars and has 103 applications counting Maserati.

If a helicoil is not fixing things to factory spec you better tell Ferrari, Maserati and the FAA.

Just because some people don't know how to install them properly doesn't mean they are not an outstanding way to attach a fastener or drain plug.

 

I noticed that you are right, they used a helicoil insert for the front oil plug (never noticed this myself 993turbo). So why didn't they use another for the rear plug? Depth of the aluminum panel 171045? Lycoming states there may be issues with high time heads and thin aluminum insertion depth.

So if you had the threads on 171045 become worn.. would you helicoil it or just order 171045 and remove the 6 bolts and replace it? Or would you helicoil it?
I'm just saying replace the panel... and avoid any issues with the helicoil insertion.

 

He does. When Rifledriver speaketh.. listen.

I'm just being an insolent argumentative keyboard jockey on this issue (and am curious)...

 

The helicoil even at Ferraris highly inflated price is $7.54.


I can fix a clients and make it better/more durable than either of the available replacements for less money.


Which would you prefer?

 

You want me to admit defeat? Never!



In all honesty it would happen here at the house during an annual oil change and I'd just get the new panel and bolt it on...

 

And that is a logical repair. Installing a helicoil, especially in that application requires some tooling and expertise.

 

LOL no worries not a bad trait to be inquisitive, however I trained as a engineer myself, until I started my own business, < unrelated to engineering, however I was so glad I had trained in this field as IMO, it is the backbone of most things.

R-Driver I assume still is or was taking these things apart on a frequent basis, so you cannot argue with a hands on guy with experience can you...

However your never to old something learn something new, ask the kids how to use a brand new all singing dancing smart phone, to realize that..