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Discussion in '360/430' started by TroyI, Aug 31, 2014.

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  1. TroyI

    TroyI Karting

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  2. vrsurgeon

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    Looks like fuel system related. "What's that smell.. I'll get that checked out when I get back.."

    I'll bet nipple at fuel pump broke off and high pressure fuel spray got everywhere.
     
  3. E60 M5

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    For sure it started in the engine compartment. Glad they are ok.
     
  4. Tally Ho

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    That area gets really hot this time of year. I had an old Plymouth Valiant overheat passing through there back in August of 1986. Hopefully the owner has good insurance.
     
  5. fabo

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    not good

    So many have been crashed, stolen or burnt.......I wonder how many 360s are left
     
  6. rmani

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    still a good amount but I'd guess about 10-20% of all models made are now gone. No basis on that estimate just a shot in the dark.
     
  7. bisel

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    The newspaper article stated that the passengers did not have anything to try to put out the fire.

    IMO, if a car catches fire like that, best thing after making sure you clear of the car is add more fuel to the fire. I would hate for my insurance company to decide the car is not a total loss and try to fix it after a major fire.

    Steve
     
  8. fabo

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    I agree

    This is why I don't carry a fire extinguisher
     
  9. English Rebel

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    Looks like a Spider. Agreement on not trying to put out a fire.
    Alan
     
  10. vrsurgeon

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    If the fire is behind the engine panel, its not going to be easy to put out. Halon is the best bet IMHO.
     
  11. 360Tom

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    Might be some spare Novitec Nf2's if they didn't all melt.
     
  12. Spitfire

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    Yes, unless you or your passenger (or a bystander) are unfortunate enough to have been caught by the flame, in which case a fire extinguisher would clearly be desirable.
     
  13. Rifledriver

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    Hot dogs and marshmellows. No fire extinguishers.
     
  14. Utah360Spider

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    Certainly one of the worst days of my life. Only had her since march. Fuel smell and fire all within 5 seconds pulled over immediately got out, sat for 45 minutes watching in horror as she melted to the ground. That is how long it took for fire department to arrive.
     
  15. Ferraripilot

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    Most of that will buff out. Spray the rest with krylon.
     
  16. MaranelloDave

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    Wow, sorry to hear that. Well, at least no one was injured and I assume you have insurance.

    Back to the fire extinguisher issue, most here would rather let the car burn to the ground than try to put out the fire? I don't think I would do that unless the engine compartment was completely engulfed in flames. Maybe letting it burn would be the "smart" thing, but it would be tough to just watch it happen.
     
  17. Rifledriver

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    Not for me. I have repaired burned cars for insurance companies. Believe me better to let it burn. It's just a car. There are plenty more.
     
  18. Rifledriver

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    Sorry to hear.
     
  19. SLViper1

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    Did this car ignite after the repairs, new fuel pump?
     
  20. Xcheckme

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    #20 Xcheckme, Sep 1, 2014
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    Really sorry to hear. But most importantly nobody was hurt. Any car can be replaced - but I can imagine how you feel. Hopefully your insurance will assist as they should and better luck with the next one.

    For what it's worth: Did you ever get the cats checked after you ran 100 octane? If my memory serves me right, that was your car - if not sorry........just wondering if this had something to do with it.
     
  21. since-15

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    Glad you and your passenger are all right. Take comfort in the fact that it is relatively easy to find another 360 spider. Wait... that is if you're still interested in another Ferrari after that experience. Are you still interested in getting another 360?
     
  22. 2NA

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    #22 2NA, Sep 1, 2014
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    For a relatively common car like a 360 I have to agree. A big expensive pain in the ass.

    I remember a client with a Jag XJS that called late one afternoon to report that his car caught fire, but he "caught it in time". It came in on the hook, still smoking. He had sprayed it down with a dry-chemical extinguisher. I immediately pressure washed the engine bay to minimize damage but the was still corrosion. Remarkably his insurance carrier agreed to fix it. I spent a couple weeks splicing in a new wiring harness and repairing damage. No paintwork was done. Remarkably after 15 years the car has no problems resulting from the fire. The repair bill was $12,000, about what he could have bought a "good" car for. A Ferrari could easily cost 3 times as much plus body and paint, to end up with a salvage title.
     
  23. Utah360Spider

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    It was after new pump was put in. I was there when it was put in. Everything was triple checked. Drove it over 200 miles without any issue at all no smell of gas or anything. After this I think I'll wait for a few years save some extra money and get one that is not 10 years old 430 or 458. Its all so new though lots of emotions, so who knows what I will do once I calm down a bit. We took some pictures right after we jumped out of the car and from what it looked like the fire started down below not at the top where the fuel pump is. By the time we were out and taking pictures the flames were already quite big around the right rear tire.
     
  24. Utah360Spider

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    I don't imagine it had anything to do with the 100 octane car has been driven over 2500 miles since then running like a charm. As the thing is not much more then a pile of rubble at this point I doubt we will ever know the root cause.
     
  25. TroyI

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    Glad you are all safe. I have read elsewhere that if fuel leaks develop in a 360, it drips down on to the exhaust or other heated parts which can easily cause a fire. Don't' know if Ferrari has issued any campaigns for this issue, but it seems unfortunately common enough that they should.
     

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