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Clearcoat peeling from rockguard removal

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  1. mah_hai

    mah_hai Karting

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    #1 mah_hai, Sep 16, 2014
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    So I purchased the car with existing rockguard however it only covered half of the hood. I wanted to get it re-done since I prefer to have the entire hood and front fenders to be covered.

    I brought it in to get detailed today and when they started to remove the rockguard, the clearcoat came off as well .....

    So I guess what I'm wondering is, what are my options?

    I'm assuming a repaint - but has this happened to any of you before?

    The only thing that I can think of why this happened is the front of the car has been repainted and the rockguard was applied too soon, therefore the peeling the paint.

    Thoughts?
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  2. F40-R

    F40-R Formula 3

    Jun 22, 2014
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    Very common when people remove stone guard without using a hand held heat blower.

    Only option now is to have it blended or completely respray the front end.
     
  3. Voda

    Voda Formula 3

    Oct 10, 2013
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    I talked with one of the early pioneers of the clear stone guard material who sold his stake to one of the major players in today's market, and he told me that he won't put it on his own cars (a collection to be jealous of). He told me that unless the car is out of the sun, heat, etc., then there is always discoloration from the clear protection covering, which makes total sense considering the exposure to the elements will affect the covered and non-covered areas differently due to light refraction, heat transfer, etc.. He said that since I live in a "gray environment" of mild temps (Seattle) and keep my cars in a climate controlled garage, it is the best scenario, but there is still likely to be some discoloration if I ever wanted to just remove the clear protection and go without it.
     
  4. mountainman3520

    mountainman3520 Karting

    Nov 11, 2013
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    I bought a 2006 430 that came with a partial rock guard membrane on various portions of the front. I think it looks pretty bad. Has a bit of haze that doesn't go away during a detail, and is visible in some lighting. The edges are visible, slightly discolored and not completely smooth. It needs to be removed. But I fear that when I have it removed the original paint underneath may be damaged and trigger a very expensive repair, so I'm afraid to mess with it yet even though I don't like how it looks.

    I think these membranes are a bad idea. The concept of risking completely destroying the paint job in order to protect it from minor damage is not logical. Installation of a temporary membrane that might reduce rock damage but might also cause uneven paint fading or lifting of paint during removal is too much risk for too little reward. And the membrane is guaranteed to need to be replaced periodically as it will start looking bad before the rest of the paint. My 8 year old car only had 6k miles when I got it and I think the membrane had visual problems that warranted replacement years ago, probably having only 5 years of good life. It even has some rock impacts that damaged the paint through the membrane, further decreasing the upside value of risking the whole paint job to MAYBE protect against rocks.

    At some point I'll gather the nerve to have the membrane removed and make sure I use someone who knows how to do it to minimize risk of damage, use an appropriate heat gun, be very careful, etc.

    What do you want to bet I have a visible fade line across the middle of the hood where the membrane stopped and have to repaint anyway . . .
     
  5. English Rebel

    English Rebel Formula 3

    Aug 13, 2013
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    I was quoted $900 to paint the entire front end. To apply a clear film would cost around $1500 so I will wait until my stone chips are too much for me to look at and have it painted.
    Alan
     
  6. vincenzo

    vincenzo F1 Rookie

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    Perfect logic.

    One more point:
    When a chip occurs in the film, you can't fix it.
    When paint gets a chip, it is an easy fix.

    I wish the general public would wise up to these films - then I can buy my 2nd hand F-cars without 'em.

    Rgds,
    Vincezo
     
  7. Voda

    Voda Formula 3

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    #7 Voda, Sep 17, 2014
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    We've all seen guys who do their entire car. This all reminds me of how my grandmother used to have the plastic furniture covers...remember that? The "couch prophylactic." IMO, just get out there and enjoy it instead of trying to save it for the next guy.

    Mountainman puts it best, "These are a bad idea"
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  8. f355spider

    f355spider F1 World Champ
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    $900? Only from Earl Schibe... ;) Possibly just the bumper.
     
  9. spourreza

    spourreza Formula Junior

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    Your bumper was likely sprayed. Factory paint shouldnf do that. They likely painted to cover chips, wait for it to cute and put 3m on
     
  10. GaryR

    GaryR Formula 3

    Dec 11, 2006
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    I just peeled it off my windshield, no idea why it was put on but the fact that it was obviously yellowed is enough reason for me to get the crap off my car.. looked like a 3 pack a day Camel smoker worked on it.
     
  11. Cyt

    Cyt F1 Rookie

    Feb 1, 2014
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    I think it's on the windscreen cause of fine 'sandblast ' effect from driving.
     
  12. English Rebel

    English Rebel Formula 3

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    European Auto Works Greensboro NC
    Alan
     
  13. Labman

    Labman F1 Rookie

    Jun 25, 2010
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    I don't agree. I have my entire front clip on my 430 covered in EagleGuard film. I purchased the car that way and quite frankly I'm glad it had it. I had the half hood film on my 355 and couldn't stand people saying "how did you get that scratch on your hood?". Mine was installed so well that I can barely tell, as well as most people, that it is even there. I love the piece of mind that when a rock bounces off my hood from a pick up truck in front of me, that most likely I will not get a chip. It happened several times already. I know how I am and if I had even one chip I would want to get it repaired ASAP.
    If you drive the car on highways then I think this film is a must IMHO. If anything at least the front bumper and rocker panels should be covered. These cars seem to attract stones!
     

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