Hey all, I am getting ready to have the clutch replaced on my 6-speed 360. While it's out, is there anything else that people would recommend to have done (all the car's routine maintenance is up to date, so there's nothing due; just looking for ideas.) One thing I've been considering is a racing flywheel, or something else to drop the revs faster between shifts - does anyone have experience with any? TIA for your time!
Rear main seal would be good idea to replace if its leaking or original. I would probably look at an aftermarket clutch since Ferrari clutches are not known to last too long.
You must work for Ferrari to say that? There are much better aftermarket solutions that are much cheaper that will last longer.
Eddie, I understand what you say, that bad drivers can be a problem, but is there any secrets about installing a clutch that is different? My sister ( could never teach her a clutch should be ether in or out) used to wear out her clutch in her subaru om 20K miles, mine has 130K on the original, but it seems that 360's seem to need replacement more frequently.
Hopefully this does not become a pissing contest! As with most things, it is nice to have options, wither it is cost or quality/performance. I recently replaced the entire clutch/flywheel assembly in my 1996 Porsche 993 (supercharged!). I could have gone OEM - dual mass flywheel, etc... but I went with heavy duty performance, lightweight flywheel, heavy duty pressure plate, GT 3 clutch disk. Very strong set up that should last a long while. So why not the same for Ferrari? But only if the non OEM parts have some real world positive history!!!!! Have an open mind!!!!!!
No pissing contest here Mr.bock! The uprated clutches on the big-output Porsches are a great upgrade. The F1 360's use three set variables that alter across four versions of TCU software. Each car needs setting up properly, and that can take a good few hours to do correctly. After that, expect 40,000 miles out of a hard but well driven clutch. Most of the aftermarket clutches have the wrong initial clamped thickness and setting up is just a case of getting it "as best as possible" for instance, three weeks ago I had a Kevlar-equipped 360 turn up with 3000 miles since it's instal by a very reputable specialist. The guys that fitted it did the best they could bit ultimately, the product that they had been supplied was just junk. The clutch plate.. Image Unavailable, Please Login
The burnt out glazed pressure plate. Note the corrosion on the fingers even after just a few heat cycles.. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Burnt out flywheel. You don't see damage like this with well setup Valeo stuff after such a small mileage... Image Unavailable, Please Login
Great info. But HE Release Bearing is a upgrade i belive. Do you recomend to change position sensors when you change the clutch? My car had new position sensor last time the clutch was done. J.G
I plan to use clutch masters or have HR clutches rebuild mine . I never heard anyone other than the dealer recommend factory ferrari clutch. Because you have one client with a bad clutch doesn't mean it was the product . As I understand with Kevlar break in is very important Clutches are the first inferior part ferrari uses.
I never use aftermarket clutches on the cars because of the same experiences Eddie has had nor have I heard of any of the good shops not doing the same. All of the happy Kevlar clutch users I have seen with these cars simply did not know good from bad. I have been paid to remove quite a few for those that did. The clutches are not inferior and are made by some of the largest clutch suppliers in the world.
I wasn't planning to use kevlar because break in is tricky . OTH, I haven't heard anything negative about clutch masters or HR. No question factory TO bearing is inferior.
You got me, I moonlight as a clutch salesman... The OP has a 3 pedal car not a F1 car so I don't know how your example applies. Anyways, I have never heard of any F1 clutch lasting 40k miles. Just using reverse in a F1 car can wear a clutch significantly which is silly! I have been driving manual transmission cars all my life and have never been told that clutch wear is dependent upon my driving style. Never had any problems with any of the Porsches or Aston Martins but Ferrari's definitely seem to need clutch attention a lot sooner than any other car I have had. Rustybits what brand clutch is that you pulled in the pictures?
Clutch wear is ABSOLUTELY dependant on your driving style. Manual or F1. There, you have now been told.
Did you even read my post? You obviously didn't get the point I was trying to make. Thanks for stating the obvious...
It's all about driving technique. I have 10s of thousands of miles on everything from a 308 and F40 to a TR and have never worn a clutch out.
I didn't think Ferrari made clutches, they get a third party (or lowest tender) to do it under license and stick it in a nice yellow box then charge a motza for it
Between the Porsche, Aston Martin, and Ferrari I own all being driven by the same person (me) with the same driving style, the only car that seems to have accelerated clutch wear is the Ferrari. Hmmmm...I don't think its my driving style and is linked more to the inferior clutch setup designed by Maranello. I love how owners think this accelerated wear is "ok" or "normal" when in fact its a pathetic excuse for a clutch disk that Ferrari gave us. Those are my $.02. Flame suit on!
If you slip the clutch it will wear out. If you don't, it wont. The 360 clutch is not what you would call large for the power it transmits. But a larger clutch is heavier and the car wouldn't rev as quick. Horses for courses. I would not be surprised at 40k from one. I'll let you know if I get there. Pretty sure Valeo designed it, not Maranello. Likely Maranello said we want a lighter one please!
Hmm. Well, as you obviously know more about the "inferior" clutches than all of the decent Ferrari specialists and dealers worldwide who have been fitting the original "crap" I'll leave you to preach your garbage. How you can lambast the Valeo clutches yet proclaim that Aston Martin, with it's hideous reputation for ASM problems and paltry clutch life is any way acceptable I don't know. Oh, if you are really burning through your clutch as fast as you say in your Ferrari, I recommend you take it to someone and have it looked at. It sounds like it is very broken...
