Hi all, Just interested to hear from anyone who has good experience with both of these cars as to which they prefer-irrespective of appearance as that is always very subjective.... I don't have any experience so would like to hear from those that do....
Two different cars. Spec would kill the Scud in any type of race. Scud has a certain feel that the Spec can't match.
Assuming the driver knows what he's doing. 99% of the guys posting of FChat would get their asses handed to them in a race driving a Speciale if the driver of the Scud were a pro. Can you tell I can't stand car owners that rattle off specs? It's like sucking at golf and thinking a new set of clubs will change all of that.
What if I buy new clubs and openly acknowledge a weakness for shiny objects? 😁 Both cars are quite fast. I haven't driven a speciale. I do not know if it's as big a step from a standard 458 as a scud is from a standard 430. A pro vs someone without race experience really isn't fair. But I know what you mean.
Scud is more fun on the street as it has a bit more character, especially with that awesome single clutch transmission. Speciale on the street is relatively tame at legal speeds as it is much more compliant, but on track is really incredible. On track, I would take a Speciale all day over the Scud. Hope that helps.
Objective driving observations: • The specialé is very easy to drive at the limit, the scuderia is not so easy • The specialé is faster in both a straight line and on-track in equal hands • The SSC in a specialé is just otherworldly and flatters a driver of any skillset Despite all the above, I subjectively still don't want one...also, I observed first hand that a base 458 w similar cup 2 tires was matching lap times with a Speciale around Sonoma. Kudos to Ferrari marketing...oh and Michelin Subjective driving observations: • The scuderia is much more of an event to drive and just even look at. Just look at the bare, purpose-built spartan interior of one... • The noise, nuff said • Gearbox is not DSG, but that little kick between shifts is simply phenomenal
This is exactly how I feel with regards to Scuderia versus Challenge Stradale comparisons. Word for word. Just replace the above by swapping Speciale to Scuderia and replacing Scuderia with Challenge Stradale. Sorry, a little off topic in terms of comparison, but can't help seeing the similarities here. Funny...
I'm Having come from a CS there is a lot more things objectively similar in both ethos and visceral feel between CS & Scuderia than there is Scuderia to Specialé unfortunately, so I don't understand how you came to your conclusion...I also found my CS easier to drive at the limit or close to it than my Scud because the mechanical balance was great, the steering was light and it is underpowered by contemporary standards. The Scuderia probably marks the end of an era, while the Specialé albeit probably being the last na V8 marks the beginning of the new direction Ferrari has embarked on where Pininfarina is no longer part of the picture, digital technologies overwhelm the analog and the modern day car industry regulations dramatically refocus the experience... Times of the CS - Scuderia did not see such a dramatic shift from the above like what we are seeing now...
I definitely agree to all of this! Speciale is a faster or better performance car compare to the Scud hands down to that but there's something about the Scuderia, more raw or the fact that Schumi was involved in building it. Maybe I'm just biased since I drive one haha LOL!
The Scud ist the perfect combination between a CS and a Speciale, it offers the widest range of emotions: loud, raw, mechanical, direct, honest, unfiltered and almost as fast as a Speciale. I suspect the "new Ferrari mid engine generation" comes with the "488 Scuderia", this car will be significantly faster than all three "NA circular saws".
Interesting observation so far, however I'm still not that much clearer.... So has anyone bought a Speciale after being in a Scud and then went back again? And let me put one more Hypothetical question. If you had to choose 2 out of the 3 cars as keepers ie CS/Scud/Sp which would you have and why?
If they had they'd be pretty fickle as the Spec has only just landed...! Cant see that happening for years / if ever. Personally I was willing to sell body parts for a CS a couple of years ago, was in the market to buy and came close to but the car wasnt quite right. Then, out of curiousity test drove the Scud and that was that. Put all my desires for the CS (ok I still have some as it is a thing of beauty) behind me and nothing will part me from my Scud - the thing is absoluetly fantastic and I'm having trouble keeping out of the seat. Incidentally, when I bought the car there were a few early Speciales in the show room waiting for collection. Hmmmm they did look VERY good and add in an 'end of era' kudos (last NA V8) are very tempting... But! Even so - I still dont think I'll part from my Scud. While the Speciale looks stunning I think it's a bit too refined / polished and I personally love my special cars to be raw. That gear shift in the Scud is something else, and with remote valves fitted - the noise is biblical! Having done the journey I agree with other comments about the Scud being the sweet spot. Time could also witness this, whereas the market is looking to the CS as 'the one' views may shift and see the Scud as a sleeping dragon in investment and drivers car. Mines a keeper - for the other lucky owners out there... ENJOY!
I echo the views on the scud. When I bought mine a year and a half ago, I assumed I'd keep it for two years and trade it in for a 458 once their prices dropped. Now I can't see doing that. The 458 seems almost tame and pedestrian to me now, whether that's fair or not. Also, the limited production of the scud (or cs, spec, etc.) just makes the car that much more special. OP: Are you considering buying one of these cars, or are you just curious as to the differences? My thought is you can't go wrong with either car. Of course, the comparison is a bit difficult given the large price difference between the two. Yes, the spec is newer and faster than the scud, but it also will cost you an additional $100k-$200k. If you are looking to buy, I think this would be a huge factor in the decision.
If I had to keep two for my own pleasure I would probably keep the Scud and the Speciale! Investment purposes probably the CS and the Scud. I don't think the Speciale is all that special! And from Chris Harris review I don't think he thought it was all that special either.
Chris didn't like the speciale? I know I watched his review a while back, but I don't remember thinking he didn't like it.
Among all three cars, the scuderia offeres the best of both worlds. It has the CS rawness, the Speciale's technology (to a certain level) and its fast enough to keep you excited. As far as looks, thats very subjective. I personally like the scuderia. Overall, the scuderia feels a very special car.
Super tough question. I tried to make that decision and ended up with all 3 lol In today's market, the Scud is the most attractive option for the money.
Scud is a very visceral driving experience....the sound, the feel, the wicked fast shifts with detonation....it's my weekly therapy session HAHA ......best car I've ever owned, PERIOD...
Though not in your list of options, I personally would go with Scuderia and 488, then eventually 488 GTO or whatever they're going to call it. Best NA with Best Turbo performance. WIN-WIN!
Exactly my thoughts. I was shortly planning to buy a Speciale. After having tested the car I was not longer convinced (I had a very attractive offer). I have also to say; if I wouldn't have a Scud I would have bought the Speciale. But if you own a Scud... Now I am very curious about the new 488-monster. This completely new turbo engine technology has its charm.
I'm not tempted about the new 488 because I know for fact that it will be another refined car. It will not have the scuderia effect.
I'm sure the "Scuderia" track version of the 488 will be extreme, the difference will be much bigger than it was between the 458 Italia and the Speciale, it will nearly go in the direction of a FXX-version. Of course, this is only a presage...
