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Discussion in '365 GT4 2+2/400/412' started by erwin123, Aug 16, 2015.

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  1. erwin123

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    #1 erwin123, Aug 16, 2015
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    I noticed that my pop up lights does have two different brands for the glass lenses used (both sides): Carello (high beam) and Hella (low beam).

    I would expect both should be Carello. Maybe in the past they have been damaged somehow and replaced by Hella. Or perhaps it's Original. I have a 400 carb (1979).

    If any of you can check theirs and let me know your results that would be much appreciated.
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  2. GT Jones

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    I had a mish-mash of hella, carello and sylvania $5 lights. Forget about whatever was original. If you drive at night contact Daniel Stern Lighting and get these parts

    Hella BiFocal H1 low beams ($129/ea) 5.75"
    parabolic H1 high beams ($79/ea white light)
    Narva Rangepower+50 H1 bulbs all around ($15.59/ea)
    relay kit RIK-CSR ($59)
     
  3. erwin123

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    Thank you. Still I'm interested to know what lenses are the Original brand used.
     
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    My bet is Carrello or Cibie....depending on year.
     
  5. roger21

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    Hello Erwin.
    I've got Carello (high beam) and Cibié. 400i 1982...
     
  6. erwin123

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    Thank you Roger. Interesting to see two different brands used as well. For the 400i it makes sense since the foglights used are also provided by Cibie.

    Anymore confirmation by others is welcomed.
     
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    #7 erwin123, Aug 24, 2015
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    Today I received an update from a 400 1977 owner, this one has 2 Hella's fitted for lo and hi beam. Anyone else can do some checking for me please?
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  8. Nathan76

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    Is it true that these are sealed units and blown bulbs cannot be changed?
    Was this a part used on a fiat or alfa that doesn't attract the ferrari tax??
     
  9. rovexienus

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    #9 rovexienus, Aug 24, 2015
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    On a June 1978 400 Auto chassis 24541, French market (yellow head lights), the lenses are as follows:

    Low beam is Hella 14466 R7

    High beam is Carello 03 245 700
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    #10 rovexienus, Aug 24, 2015
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    Bulbs (H1) can be changed on these projectors, the procedure is shown on page 109 of the instruction book 142/77. I did not change the bulbs on a 400, but I did on a 365 GT4 BB which has identical projectors.

    I assume these Carello projectors were used on other Italian cars than Ferrari. I am pretty sure these Hella projectors were used on German cars.
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  11. Nathan76

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    Many thanks
     
  12. samsaprunoff

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    #12 samsaprunoff, Aug 25, 2015
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    Good day All,

    Looking at the Owner's manual's on the 365 Gt4 2+2 and the 400GT and observing the pictures of the headlights (pictures look the same... and so perhaps Ferrri reused the picture from the 365 manual in the 400?)... Anyway, it would appear that the lights used in the manuals were made by Carello. I say this, as the glass "rib" patterns correlate to those on Carello lights. Hella's are close, but are not the same... and Cibie's have a distinct curved pattern in the Centre area...

    If I am correct and that the Owner's Manuals used Carellos, that does not imply that all cars were shipped with Carellos... In fact some locations may have had specific regulations for particular headlamps and/or beam pattern and/or beam intensity.

    Cheers,

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    Thank you Rovexienus. I suspect this is the correct combo for the 400. And Carello & Cibie for the 400i.

    Interesting observation Sam. Perhaps a few others can check theirs and let us know the results. Maybe the 365GT4 2+2 was equipped with two Carello's.
     
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    My 1985 400i has 4 Hellas...H4's on the outside beams. All appear original with original bugs still splattered on them.
    So if I want to keep it all original as possible.......do I leave the bugs ?

    Kidding........no really......I am kidding !


    Gary
     
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    Thanks for sharing Gary & Al. It's a mess.
     
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    Thank you Dave.
     
  19. samsaprunoff

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    Good day Erwin,

    On my 365, both of my lights are Carello (exactly the same as shown in the Owner's manual)... and look to be original too!

    Cheers,

    Sam
     
  20. erwin123

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    Thank you Sam. Every additional check is making it more interesting
     

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