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Parking brake problems with Big BREMBOs in a 575m

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  1. TZ 750

    TZ 750 Formula Junior

    Jul 18, 2009
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    Friends:

    I own and really enjoy my 2002 575M FHP,
    and have added the big BREMBO brakes,
    which I purchased from
    another FChat member.

    After a year or two, I find that the rear units
    have HUGE wear on the drum surface of the
    parking brake drum.

    No doubt this accelerated wear is because
    the drum is ALUMINUM.

    Does anybody have a fix ?

    Thanks, Scott
     
  2. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    If the shoes do not drag there should be zero wear.
     
  3. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Scott- You adjust those just like you do the drum brakes on a an old Chevy or pre-65 Corvette. Use the star wheel adjuster to gradually tighten until the wheel and tire will not turn. Then back off until the wheel spins freely. Or have someone else do it. There is no wear on a parking brake shoe or drum in normal use unless you are using it to stop the car. The shoes will get out of adjustment and the cables will stretch, but you should not be wearing the drum, regardless of what material the hat/drum is made from.
     
  4. Armen G.

    Armen G. Karting

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    I guess that the drum wear is because of you either use a handbrake to spin a car or most likely you parkbrake is ovartightened and needs adjustment as Taz says. In this case the drum should be overheating all the time which can negatively affect rear wheel bearings...
     
  5. dsd

    dsd F1 Rookie
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    I have a Brembo Big Brake kit on my 2003 575. I have had similar issues and it was all in the adjustment. I get it checked out every time I bring the car in and it hasn't been an issue since (8 years, now).

    -dsd
     
  6. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    None of the springs are very strong and if not correctly adjusted will not contract correctly. The cable adjuster needs to be backed off and the shoes adjusted as you described. Once the brake is locked it should be backed off 5 clicks. Then the cable should be adjusted. In this way neither adjustment interferes with the performance of the other adjustment and the shoe springs are free to retract the shoes and the cable springs are free to retract the cable. The shoe springs are not strong enough to retract the shoes if the shoes are out of adjustment. Also coincidently it works better too. Not too many of us left that learned to adjust brakes on drum brake cars when they were new.

    This was never done at the factory and many cars still have not had it correctly adjusted 20+ years later.
     
  7. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Brian- My 61 and 63 Corvettes both had those types of drum brakes. Adjusted them many times and they were still terrible until I put the factory cerametallic shoes on the 63. Those worked fine but ate drums pretty quickly. Think I still have one of those funky brake spring set of pliers lying around somewhere.
     
  8. FPFaeth

    FPFaeth Formula Junior

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    This discussion makes me feel old -- I still have all those brake adjusting tools and the ones for holding the springs in place. In fact, they belonged to my father for when he worked on his 57 Chevy. (I use the process Brian wrote about and it works just like he says.)
     
  9. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Yup, started on my father's 61 Corvette when I was still in high school in the early 60s. Go-fer at first and then more work as I got better educated. Most car guys did their own work back then, but the cars were pretty simple, too. Dwell meter and a timing light were about as complicated as the tools got. Simple setting dwell on a GM product with the dwell meter and Allen wrench through the little access panel in the distributor cap. That was pre-capacitor discharge ignition and spark plugs did not last long with leaded gas and carbs.
     
  10. FPFaeth

    FPFaeth Formula Junior

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    Well, Terry, if you ever need to borrow a dwell meter and timing light, let me know! And I have the feeler gauges for the points gap. Like you, I learned from my father. You are so right about the simple tools required -- I recall him having a few sockets, an Allen key set, a crescent wrench, pliers, and a screw driver, plus those feeler gauges. Bless his soul, he only changed the oil when the oil light came on!
     
  11. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Thanks, I still have them, too, Including all the feeler gauges I used for adjusting the valve clearances on solid lifter Corvette engines. Even still have the little clips you used on the rocker arms to keep the 80 psi oil from squirting over the sides of the head while adjusting the clearances.
     
  12. TZ 750

    TZ 750 Formula Junior

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    Yes, but I or another equally stupid driver drove the car
    some distance with the parking brake fully engaged.

    NOW, there seems little adjustment.

    I'm gonna pull it apart and see if my own damage
    has added to that damage that was there
    when I put the brakes on MY car........

    Maybe my brake guy can turn the alloy drums true,
    and "arc" the parking shoes to fit.....

    I am expecting the worst,
    hoping for the best, and
    have ordered a set of shoes
    to INSURE, that I will NOT
    need them.......
     
  13. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Sorry to hear that.

    If there is any chance there were problems getting the brake to release or fully release my comments about proper adjustment still apply.
     
  14. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    If the Brembos are like the hats/drums on my Mov'Its, there is not much metal out there to work with. Good news is the hats are removable, so Brembo should be able to provide you a new set of hats as a last resort.
     
  15. TZ 750

    TZ 750 Formula Junior

    Jul 18, 2009
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    Thanks for all the advise so far !

    I have a set of four (4) shoes on the way
    from Ricambi, along with the funky "ratchet"
    mechanism that accomplishes the
    "locking" of the hand brake.

    I approached the car yesterday
    (Everything back together in case
    they need to take the car off the lift)
    and was told that the alloy drum surface
    was pretty worn, and Tech did NOT feel
    comfortable with cutting any metal.

    At this point, I may rely on:

    1) New shoes being thick enough that they
    will effectively contact the worn drum surface.

    2) Install the new "ratchet mechanism"
    and adjust the shoes to RIFLEMAN specs.

    3) See if BREMBO sells (and installs) new
    center sections in the disc assemblies.

    Anybody know WHO can do the
    "center replacement ?" and WHERE
    parts are available ?

    Thanks again, Scott
     
  16. tazandjan

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  17. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    I would sure pursue getting new hats.

    Try Terry's suggestion first, if that doesn't work get back to us.
     
  18. TZ 750

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  19. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    That V16 would fit. Just have to take out the center console and seats.
     
  20. TZ 750

    TZ 750 Formula Junior

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    Probably better to install it into an FF,
    remove console and front seats, and
    drive from the back seats.......
     
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  25. dakharris

    dakharris Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Look at the bright side. Your car will be faster and get better gas mileage!
     

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