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Intake Plenum: 456 vs 550/575 vs 599 vs F12

Discussion in '456/550/575' started by Zedtt, Feb 6, 2016.

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  1. Zedtt

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    #1 Zedtt, Feb 6, 2016
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    See attached images of intake plenums (plena?) from 456, 550, 575, 599 and F12. Observe that the 550/575 is the only series of the modern V12's in which there is a large central plenum. All the other cars have only the lateral plenums feeding through runners direct into the opposite bank. Why did Ferrari design the 550/575 intake that way? What did the 550/575 gain or lose in the design?

    I did see this write-up: https://www.ricardo.com/Documents/Downloads/pdf/wave_intake_system_analysis_ferrari.pdf

    Re: "Additionally, the intake system is
    characterized by 2 quarter-wave pipes (one
    for each bank) upstream of the 2 airboxes.
    These resonators were tuned in order to
    reduce the overall intake noise level."..... BTW I would like to INCREASE the overall intake noise level if you don't mind!
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  2. tazandjan

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    The F133 engine family (550-612 OTO) was Ferrari's first V12 series with dual length intake tract, which upped hp considerably above about 6000 rpm. Took up some space doing it. If you look at cam timing, the 456 and 456M actually have wilder timing, but run out of air at a lower rpm.

    On the later V12s from the F140 family, Ferrari incorporated variable valve timing on the intake and exhaust cams, which effectively increased duration, and still incorporated dual length runners into the system without needing so much space to do it. The F12's Type F140F engine added resonance chambers on the ends of the intake tract for a little free overpressure. The F12 tdf removed them and used basic hot rod techniques, mechanical lifters and a higher rev limit to raise hp again.

    In the future, expect infinitely varying intake lengths to optimize over the entire rev range, similar to what VVT systems do now for cam timing.
     
  3. au-yt

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    Thanks Taz Interesting insight
     
  4. Cribbj

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    #4 Cribbj, Feb 7, 2016
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    Terry, here's one way (and BTW, this used to be a stock 456 intake manifold)
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  5. tazandjan

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    John- Yup, that should do it.
     
  6. 308 GTB

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    You oughta see her on a road course or a quarter mile
    This little modified ponton has got plenty of style
    She beats the gassers and the rail jobs, really drives 'em wild
    C'mon and turn it on, wind it up, blow it out 550




    :)
     
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    Barry- Yup, pronounced five, five, oh.
     
  8. 308 GTB

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    Gonna save all my money and buy a 550
    Get a helmet and a roll bar and I'll be ready to go
    Take it out to Pomona and let 'em know, yeah yeah
    That I'm the coolest thing around, little buddy gonna shut you down
    When I turn it on, wind it up, blow it out 550




    John will have a 369 :)
     
  9. 360modena2003

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    Has this intake been installed on a 456 yet? Any footage of it running?
     
  10. Cribbj

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    360, it's actually going on my 550's engine, which, as Barry suggests below is being punched out to around 366 in3 (5.99 liters), but isn't running yet.

    Barry you're a credit to Ronnie & The Daytonas!

    Now you've got me thinking about badging it as a GTO :)........
     
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    Just a little deuce coupe with a flat head mill
    But she'll walk a Thunderbird like she's standin' still
    She's ported and relieved and she's stroked and bored
    She'll do two hundred and twenty in the top end floored
    She's my little deuce coupe
    You don't know what I got



    :)
     
  12. Zedtt

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    Wow. Can't wait to hear her!
     
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    Will there be any kind of air filtration system? It is gorgeous, but I'd be paranoid about grit getting aspirated into the system.
     
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  15. Cribbj

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    Allan, I'm planning a set of SS screens on the trumpets for this setup, only for the initial breakin runs on the engine dyno, as the dyno room is pretty clean. After that, these 'Busa TB's will be changed out for a proper Jenvey setup, and if I decide to leave the ITB's open with individual intakes, I'll use individual foam Unifilters or K&N's on them.

    If my preferred engine air flow strategy (MAP+TPS) doesn't work out, then I'll enclose each bank of trumpets in a common air box with a long oval filter, a single inlet and a MAF sensor.
     

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