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650S vs 488 review from sport auto

Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by saraojo, May 25, 2016.

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  1. saraojo

    saraojo Formula 3

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  2. Sandy Eggo

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    Google translate did an admirable job...I got the gist of things. The WWII reference at 3:19 was a bit awkward though, especially from a Frenchman. Gotta admit, the active air brake on the Macca is pretty cool.
     
  3. howydo

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    So what's the gist?
     
  4. 458trofeo

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    He said at the end of the day if he had to choose one it would be the 650S
    because of it's superior agility and nimbleness
     
  5. dustman

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    Wow. We don't like our 650 so that has me worried!
     
  6. Noblesse Oblige

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    I prefer FCar mid V8s for their surgical precision and IMO far better styling. All she wrote.
     
  7. howydo

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    Which car was faster ?
     
  8. Hardkor

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    So he is saying the 650s is more nimble than a 488????
     
  9. noone1

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    Here are 488 vs 650S Autocar results taken from another forum. Performance is about identical when you factor in tires, temps, coupe vs spider.

    Autocar Road Test - Dry Circuit Lap Time:

    Ferrari 488 GTB - 1min 8.0sec (16°C dry)

    McLaren 650S Spider - 1min 8.3sec (27°C dry)

    Acceleration (MPH) - 488 GTB vs 650S Spider:

    0-30: 1.6 vs 1.6
    0-40: 2.0 vs 2.1
    0-50: 2.6 vs 2.7
    0-60: 3.0 vs 3.2
    0-70: 3.6 vs 3.8
    0-80: 4.3 vs 4.5
    0-90: 5.0 vs 5.4
    0-100: 5.9 vs 6.3
    0-110: 7.4 vs 7.4
    0-120: 8.6 vs 8.6
    0-130: 9.9 vs 10.1
    0-140: 11.5 vs 11.9
    0-150: 13.3 vs 13.9
    0-160: 15.5 vs 16.7
    0-170: 18.6 vs 20.3
    0-180: 22.3 vs 25.1

    1/4 Mile: 10.9s @ 136.9mph vs 11.0s @ 135.2mph

    0-1000m: 19.4s @ 172.4mph vs 19.7s @ 168.2mph

    30-70 mph: 2.0s vs 2.2s
    30-70 mph in 4th: 3.3s vs 5.5s

    Braking 60-0 mph: 2.43s

    Max Speeds in Gear:

    1st: 44mph @ 8000rpm
    2nd: 65mph @ 8000rpm
    3rd: 86mph @ 8000rpm
    4th: 109mph @ 8000rpm
    5th: 133mph @ 8000rpm
    6th: 170mph @ 8000rpm
    7th: 205mph @ 7086rpm

    Weight: 1,555 kg (1,525 kg claimed)

    Tires: Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2
     
  10. xskier

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    How comes the spyder mclaren is as fast as the 488, despit tested with 27C degrees where the 488 gtb was tested with 16C degrees. 27C degress is pretty hot for highspeed performance.
    Was this test done in different days and just the numbers mixed,
    what was the weight of the mclaren spyder.
    Is the weight of the 488 gtb correct, seems a bit high
     
  11. noone1

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    I didn't see the article, but I think the 650S numbers are from 2 years ago. I think the original poster just combined the two number sets.
     
  12. dustman

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    Impressive that the older Mac is as quick as the new 488. The P14 should be a hell of a car in late 2017.
     
  13. homesite

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    The Mac is not that old
     
  14. chouch

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    Considering there is no WWII reference whatsoever in this video, I kinda doubt the "admirable" job from google translate. :)
     
  15. chouch

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    Here's the breakdown of what he said in this video:

    Numbers and specs
    650S : 650hp for 1430kg (verified)
    488 GTB : 670hp for 1594kg (verified)
    On paper very similar cars, so let's take them for a drive to see which one offers the best drive (he does not say to check which one is faster, but rather which one gives the best sensation behind the wheel)

    Then he goes on styling, saying that the outside is a matter of personal taste. He then gives a point to the 650S for the inside, offering a slightly more slick interior.

    Then on 0-62mph, saying it's a pointless exercise for those cars and one should focus more on how the engine delivers its performance.
    On this one he prefers the 488 engine, with less lag.

    Then handling and dynamics. He credits the point to the 650S, thanks to the stiffer carbon tub and weight advantage over the 488.

    No winner in braking. Both are impressive with CCM rotors, pushing you forward, head in the windshield each time you brake.

    Bottom line, no real winner. Two fantastic cars. But if he had to buy one, he picked the 650S.

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    McLaren did a hell of a great job with the 650S. Keeping up with Ferrari's brand new 488 is quite an achievement.
    Wonder where McLaren will be in 4-5 years when Ferrari will replace the 488.
     
  16. howydo

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    Am I misinterpreting the numbers ? It looks to me like the Ferrari is faster especially at 180mph!!
     
  17. saraojo

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    The 650s spider is very impressive considering its based on a 2011 12c and it has been out two years ahead of the 488. Looking forward to see more comparisons.
     
  18. howydo

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    I owned a 12c and loved it. It was extremely fast and ahead of its time from a performance standpoint. Didn't care for the electronics though.
     
  19. MalibuGuy

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    He complimented the turbo engine of the 488 for its immediacy and lack of lag.

    He compared the cockpit of the MCLaren to an airplane (a compliment)

    He felt the MCLaren was the more agile of the two. And in the end preferred the MCLaren over the 488 because of that. But he said that both are spectacular cars.

    But of course this comes from an auto reviewer and not an owner. He gets an afternoon or two with the cars.

    Owners of both cars who have spent considerably more real seat time, are probably better equipped to give conclusions.

    So....
     
  20. vinuneuro

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    This sums up the lag/response character between the two engines. Quite a difference and probably where they need to devote resource since they've been on it with the chassis since the 12c.
     
  21. howydo

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    Yes but who races a car in 4th gear at 30mph??
     
  22. rmitchell248

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    Nobody but it gives a great example of the feel you get when you apply, say, 60% throttle in each car for a pass without shifting. The 488 is much more responsive.
     
  23. dustman

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    2 1/4 years is a lot in car terms nowadays.

    The P14 is your 488 comp then.
     
  24. noone1

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    I'd say it's more like 4 years old. 650S is barely any different than a 12C.
     
  25. howydo

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    The P14 is going to annihilate everything in its category.
     

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