Need help deciding on 612 purchase.

Price seems high. Would need to see options and pictures.

Has it had the timing belt service done? If so, when. If not, make them do it now.

If you want to see one of these cars fully disassembled, read my thread:

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/612-599/453306-heres-pic-me-pulling-engine-out-my-612-yesterday.html

 

I have the same color combination in a 2007 HGTS model.

Considering the rarity of the MT models, I think the price is reasonable coming out of a dealer. With 23K miles, it should be sorted. However, you should check the history and make sure required services were completed - especially the major service, considering the miles.

Regardless, make sure you drive it AND make sure you have a PPI done by a third party, if possible.

Good luck.

 

Generally speaking, these cars are indeed very reliable. The items that can go bad occasionally though include the LED instrument panel, the catch on the reverse lever, the window controls are prone to failure, buttons can get sticky and need resurfacing, dash leather can recede, and at 24k miles, if the tie rods haven't been replaced, they will be needed. If the car has seat heaters, they are also prone to problems. Make sure the climate control also works completely, hot and cold, vents opening and closing as selected. That's all that comes to mind off the top of my head at the moment. The only items on the list that are absolutes are the tie rods. The rest won't necessarily happen, just some of the more common complaints.

 

The wheels may not be ideal, but the Bose unit is stock.

The price doesn't "seem" off, but it is really hard to say without seeing it. Do more research on cars.com and autotrader to get some comps. However, offer $97K or lower and negotiate up from there.

 

Wait a minute - you stated it had a 6-speed manual transmission.

However, based on the description you provided further down, it actually has an F1 Transmission.

In that case, the price is definitely too high. I paid a little less than your car's asking price; but, mine was a 2007 HGTS model, same color combination, plus the front and rear sensors. Mine also had a full major service (over 15K), just prior to purchase.

I drove a base model and an HGTS model, and the latter impressed me much more. It is a substantial upgrade, IMO. I would recommend the HGTS or HGTC versions on 1st generation 612s, unless they have the true gated 6-speed MT.

HGTS Package ($12.877)
19" Modular Wheels
Sport Exhaust
Suspension with sport tuning
Transmission with sport tuning
Chrome exhaust grills on the rear bumper

HGTC Package ($27,273)
Includes all of the HGTS package
19" modular wheels with BALL POLISHED FINISH
CCM(Carbon Ceramic) brakes with 6piston calipers front, 4 piston rear.
Colored brake calipers(Rossa Corsa is default color)

Also, 22 inch wheels are too big for this car - especially up front. I would not go higher than 20 inch front / 21 inch rear.

Here's a recent picture of my 07 612 HGTS with 19" OEM modular wheels:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127486249@N06/15205669160/in/set-72157648119667556/

 

My car has been for sale longer and has actually had more owners. It may well be the most well sorted example out there, completely reliable and needs nothing. Gorgeous example as well. Don't walk away from a car you like over these factors. If you have the records and do a proper inspection, who cares how many owners prior. And yeah, these cars take time to move.

 

Like Bob said, two months to sell a Ferrari is nothing. Many sit for much, much longer.

 

The F1 transmission is not bad.

You would need to find a local independent exotic mechanic to do a proper pre-purchase inspection. That wouldn't be difficult in an area like Scottsdale, I wouldn't think.

Wheels are subjective. But obviously the wheels on this car are going to make for a rougher ride. Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that. Personal choice.

 

The radio is not stock from the pictures. The Bose unit was introduced in 2007. I would imagine the ride is going to be pretty rough with 22" wheels. Keep in mind that you always replace the aftermarket with originals for probably around $2k, so not a huge deal. Price seems pretty close to me, maybe should be in the mid-high $90s as long as the belts have been done. I would ask them specifically for the major receipt.

 

Most 22" wheels are ugly, but those actually look good. We tend to have a knee-jerk reaction to 22" wheels because most of them are tasteless and chromed. This set is not. Just make sure your teeth fillings are tight.

 

When buying a Ferrari from a Ferrari dealer do you still need an independent inspection?

 

+1.

Price seems a tad high, IMHO.

Good Luck.

 

The F1 transmission is not bad, and in fact most people prefer it. However, the manual is quite rare, and thus tends to command a higher price. For you, it depends on which you prefer-- I would certainly try driving this car and see what you think.

 

I contacted my local State Farm agent and they gladly insured mine for much less than Geico was going to.

 

Just to clarify, I'm referring to an average used set from what would have been 2006 OEM. You can find similar sets with a quick ebay search. Something a little newer or more desirable and the cost goes up. No idea what new OEM would cost, but it would be a lot.

 

Ha! I'm also looking at for 612! I have a 2002 Collectors Edition Trans Am Convertible with a 6 speed Hurst that I purchased new 13 years ago for my 50th birthday!! It now has 3900 miles!! When I was a student at Manhattan College back in the early 70's we would make frequent visits to the New York Auto Show.

 

Absolutely. Would you trust any dealer selling any used car? Well Ferrari dealers are no different. Go to the Arizona forum and ask for a recommendation for a PPI.

BTW, I would highly recommend that you read many, many more threads in this forum and the general forum. You don't even know what you don't know.

 

Most 612's for sale by Ferrari dealers are going to be consigments. They do their own PPI before they accept a car for sale and report to the seller everything they believe is wrong with the car. Anything they are uncomfortable selling would probably be addressed while some things the consignor might not want to address but might be passable might not. I think buying from a Ferrari dealer adds a great level of comfort. I think more importantly would be if that dealer had also been responsible to a large extent for the service of the car and can attest first hand knowledge of the vehicle. Also being owned by a fellow Fchatter who cares about the cars and the reputation also adds a level of comfort. I know of one such car anyway.

 

I personally don't think two months is a long time and wouldn't worry about the number of owners as long as all the mechanicals check out on inspection. I like the look of the wheels as long as you can live with the harsher ride.

One thing you might look into are the paper gaskets. I have an 06 with only 6000 miles and the paper gaskets they originally used on this year had begun to slightly leak. I replaced with the newer style from later versions and it costs me about $1500 parts and labor

Lastly, I use progressive on insurance but am looking to switch as it is quite pricey