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599 Owners: Are Your Shocks Leaking

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  1. Piper

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    Mine are, all four. According to Ferrari of Washington, it's getting common. And they are $24,000 just in parts to replace. Worse, it'll just happen again. I've been working with Delta Vee to give them my car as a guinea pig to engineer a solution, had it all worked out, but we were thrown a curve last Thursday. Delta Vee does the engineering but the manufacturer needs an order of 10 sets to go to production. This was news as the manufacturer was acquired and changed terms on Delta Vee mid course. Has me in a pickle actually. I'm ready to pony up for one set, which will come in at around $8k, estimated. We need several more owners interested and willing to put down a deposit. Check your cars. I'm willing to bet every 599 out there with more than 15k miles has at least a couple leaking. They cannot be rebuilt. If you're not part of the initial ten sets, could be well over an additional year before there's another production run.
     
  2. HogPilot

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    Just got mine back from major service about a month ago. I've got 28.5K miles and was worried about having to replace the shocks after seeing your posts on the issue Bob. But, touch wood, so far, no leaks on any of the 4.

    Either that or they are empty at this point! lol

    If anything happens to them soon, I'll pitch in however. This is something that needs addressing if it's a problem with all 599s. $24K for shocks every 15K miles will easily price me out of the car.
     
  3. g4titan

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    This is so mind blowing that it's roughly 1/6 the cost of these cars and it's only shocks.... Something is all out of whack.
     
  4. Piper

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    Guess it depends how the car is driven, where, maybe even when, cold or hot? No idea. Glad you're not leaking. Hope it stays that way. Don't wish it on anyone but do hope I find a few more with need.

    I have to assume we'll start seeing it in other cars with magnaride over time.
     
  5. speedy_sam

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    Is it possible to get the Corvette ZR1 or Caddy CTS V shocks and adapt it? I bet they would be cheaper by 10X
     
  6. tazandjan

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    are these shocks made by GM?
     
  8. Wheels1

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    Just had mine serviced.
    I asked them to specifically look at the suspension, looks like they changed the lower wishbones on the front and other suspension parts but not the shocks, I did not get a list of parts as it was all done under warrantee, thank goodness. I am sure they whould have told me if they had to replace the shocks.
     
  9. LewSF

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    Maybe they leak cause they're not being used. Cars with 3K-15K in 5 years? some things will fail cause not being put to the test. The shocks are meant to work...not sit there in a garage. Drive your cars.
     
  10. Caeruleus11

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    18k on my car. No leaks so far..... Definitely up there on my worry list.
     
  11. Piper

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    I intend to. Mine has 16k, and I've seen the original and only prior owner's service records and the car was driven quite consistently, or so it would seem based on the mileages at service. I think this is a pretty reasonable and healthy amount of usage, but I sure hope to drive her more.

    Interested on getting on the list? You only have to pony up a deposit if we can find 7-8 more who want to participate.
     
  12. Gated

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    What about just installing coil overs and forgoing the magnetic ride?
     
  13. tazandjan

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    That is what this whole thread is about.
     
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    Do te 612s have the same ones?
    I'd turn mine into a sculptor before I wrote a 24k check for shocks - that's just nuts
     
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    Mine weren't leaking when I bought the car, I'll have it checked again in a couple weeks when I take it in to check the fluid levels.

    How much does the KW kit go for anyway? I know one of the members here swapped to that kit and was happy at the time.
     
  16. Piper

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    Thanks for reminding me of the KW kit. Given the situation with this pilot program now needing 10 participants to move forward it's good to have that as a viable alternative. Looks from a quick Google search that it's a bit over $8k which is probably the same as this solution would be. The plan with this kit though is to replace with a true active suspension by valving instead of magnetic fluid. I'm still in for the delta vee pilot if we can get enough interest.
     
  17. Zarathustra

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    Hi Bob,
    I'm accustomed to vintage Ferraris and I tend to do some things myself. I always question dealer pricing.

    Looking at the Eurospares site, 599 front and rear shocks are about $1600 each. Part numbers 257058 (front) and 257059 (rear). The 599 GTB uses the same shocks as the 599 GTO. I would look into getting the shocks from them or Maranello Ferrari parts in the UK.
    Please keep us informed with your results.
     
  18. tazandjan

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    612s do not have the same shocks. From the description in an early WSM, I am guessing they are Mannesmann-Sachs shocks like those on the 575M. Bulletproof usually.
     
  19. Solid State

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    Are you sure the 599 GTB and the 599 GTO use identical shocks?
     
  20. Piper

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    WOW, seriously? If this be the case, I feel a fool for believing my dealer. And shame on them. There's markup, and then there's highway robbery. I guess I'm way too trusting. But I'm perplexed. Delta Vee sees a business model in this, and this is their business. How could they see a business model replacing Ferrari parts at Ferrari prices? Now I'm really confused.
     
  21. Zarathustra

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    #21 Zarathustra, Dec 9, 2014
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    Eurospares displays the Ferrari parts books for both the 599 GTB & GTO.
    Same shock part's numbers.
    However, your F12 has different shocks (& part's numbers).
     
  22. Piper

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    Is there more that must be replaced with the shock that might account for at least some of the massive discrepancy between what I was quoted off the cuff by my dealer and what the individual part costs on eurospares? I'm having a hard time swallowing that my dealer would wantonly screw me by 3-400% for not shopping better. Then again, they did try to sell me a Ferrari charger for $400, or a discounted Maser charger for $200, so I bought the top CTEK on Ebay for $80. I guess that says something, just with a few less zeros.
     
  23. Solid State

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    I am very disappointed that the shocks in these cars cannot be rebuilt. Seals eventually leak and other surfaces wear or need adjusting. I know they are electrically damped but there still has to be a piston and some sort of shim stack. This is basic stuff on motorcycles.

    I'm also surprised that the performance oriented GTO uses identical shocks as the GTB. One would think compression and rebound settings would be different enough for them to be valved differently. Perhaps its just a SW change?

    If leaks are common and high $ replacement is the only answer then you may be onto something with aftermarket. Will the Delta Vee shocks be rebuildable?
     
  24. 360modena2003

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    Coil over conversion?
     
  25. Piper

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    I'll ask and report back. Since rebuilding shocks is one of their core business models, my guess is yes but it's only a guess. Will let you know. Also asking how their solution might differ from KW's.
     

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