Fiorino Owners and Cognoscenti: Info Needed

Walt- Go to ferraridatabase.com and see what you can find there that will help. We can answer these questions given a little time. Most of them, at least.

 

Front parking sensors are the ones you need!

I love the privacy rear glass for a lot of different reasons.

HGTE is the best for the GTB

Ferrari Nav....that's an oxymoron

 

Lew.

Can't you aftermarket tint the glass just the same?

 

1) Any issues,recalls,weaknesses,factory fixes,etc. I read here that pre-2008 engines have a lubrication problem.

Many say this, but I can tell you I have a 2007 with around 20k miles and its been driven hard and put away wet and I have no issues. I will tell you the market place puts a discount on 2007 cars. Maybe its due to this, maybe its due to the fact that some of 2007 cars can't be upgraded to the full HGTE spec.

The only issue Ive had with my 599 is a front parking sensor was hit by a pebble on the highway and that caused the computer to report all kinds of failures, like transmission failure, when it wasn't failing. Replacing the sensor fixed the false error codes.

2) From MY2007 to MY2008,the base MSRP increased by $39,000. What content was added?
CCM brakes were added as standard. I think the rest was Ferrari trying to grab some of the pricing frothiness for themselves.


3) When did these become standard: CCB,Nav,rear parking sensors?
Not sure if the Nav was ever an option. Brakes in 2008. Not sure about parking sensors.

4) Any improvements in later models (other than some options becoming standard)?
Switch to newer ECU and TCUs- Ferrari (like everyone else) usually makes running improvements over time.


5) What is better about Challenge Monolithic wheels?
Structurally there is nothing better. Many think they look better than the 19"F/20"R star design wheels. I think its simply a matter of personal taste. Both are cast wheels. The Challenge are 20" front and rear and are required for CCM brakes.


6) What are Privacy Rear Windows ($4600)? One-way glass? Just a tint?
Net effect is its like tint but its darkened glass from the factory. Its not one way.

7) What is a Heat Insulating Windscreen ($675)?
Its a coating in the windshield glass that helps reflect the heating energy of light so the cabin remains cooler.

8) What is the standard caliper color?
Not sure there really is a standard color but if you don't specify one I think Ferrari will just supply your car with black calipers.

9) Seat Confusion: Are there three seat types--base,Recaro,CF sport? Does "Daytona" refer to just the style of the leather covering? Were power and heat optional for all seat types?
I think the 599 seats for the US were all electric bucket seats. I don't think they are truly made out of CF but you can have CF backing as a trim which looks sharp. The Daytona refers to the inserts. I think heated seats were optional.

 

My car is a 2007...
The Nav was a $2,361 option on my car. CCB was $18,550. Front and rear parking sensors were $2,126.

CCB's fit with the Pentagram wheels despite the 19" fronts, altho the clearance from caliper to wheel is very very tight. Can't even fit the wheel weights between them.

 

Walt- From MY07 to MY08 CCMs became standard (actually before the MY08s) and the dollar fell 5-10% against the euro. That covers it.

No lubrication problem on early 599s, just picky owners who could hear the hydraulic valve lifters pump up when they were cold. So they added some snake oil to quiet them down. Real men do not complain about their valve lifters.

CCMs (CCBs are on Porsches) became standard late in MY07. No clue on the little stuff. May have been standard on all of them. Look at some window stickers to confirm.

Late in 2007 at serial number 156938, the 599 (and 612) converted from Motronic 7.1.1 to 7.3.2. This necessitated changing the TCU and shock absorber ECUs. HGTE came out for MY10 with lots of changes and 85 ms min shift times.

Challenge wheels are prettier and bigger (20" F, too).

The are named the 599 Fiorano.

Privacy rear windows are tinted, just like it sounds.

Heat insulating windshield uses IR reflecting glass, just like all the high end cars.

Standard caliper color is black.

Daytona seats look like Ferrari Daytona seats, with perforated stripes of leather. Full Recaro means full electrical adjustments to all kinds of crud. Look in the owners manual for details. Also look at Ricambi's online parts catalog for the 599.

 

Thank you much, Taz. Always learn something new from your encyclopedic (I realize I am dating myself here) posts.

 

I was brought up with the World Book and Encyclopedia Americana, so am fairly ancient myself.

 

Haha...remember when the sum total of all human knowledge accumulated in the prior year would be delivered as a 1" thick update?

 

Bob- Affirmative, and the updates came with the purchase of the encylopedias. For a while.

Walt- Just remember, a little hydraulic lifter noise when warming up is normal. Snake oil not needed. Takes a while to get 10W-60 flowing, regardless of the 10 winter rating.

 

As long as this thread is filled with 599 info, can anyone tell me if the 599 ever came with a stick to row your own gears?

 

Yes, not many were ordered that way and now in UK at least they command a $100k premium over F1 cars

 

There are a few threads here about the 599 stick. Poke around and you'll find them.

 

Walt- I have seen several numbers for three pedal 599s, but none I trust.

 

The front end of the car is farther away from you than most other cars you have probably driven. Parking sensors help you avoid the curbs that are oft placed at the front of parking spaces. No bumper rash!

 

Soooo true....front sensors should have been standard.

 

There were updates?


And here I thought everything to be learned was already known.


Always in the wrong line at the grocery store.

 

Now that's funny.

All European manufacturers went through that. They refused to just take advantage of what the Americans learned by 1970. They really went through that with automatic transmissions.

The "Not thought of here" state of mind is very strong in Yurrip, especially the Fatherland.

The Japanese suffer under no such malady. They are perfectly happy to learn from others mistakes.