2010 599 GTB rear-end "waggle" + some high mileage & CCM commentary

Great write up Jus

I am also keen on changing the tyres from Pirelli standard to something a little softer.
Would be keen to get there recommendation - but I don't want a wider tyre to compensate getting Michelin PSS

 

HGTE suspension mod will help that wiggle, its especially prevalent on one particular piece of uphill road I suspect you may drive on a daily basis.

I speak under correction but the HGTE pack has a stiffer rear roll bar which helps cure that wiggle. The ride itself is not substantially harder with the HGTE. The rear anti roll bar may a good improvement to make.

Rule of thumb with the HGTE suspension ECU mod is that it cant be applied to earlier 599's but I doubt that would he an issue in your particular case.

 

wow, all 4 shocks...how much did that cost?

 

While you may not wish to go wider in the rear, the difference in ride and handling with Michelin Supersports is night and day better. Just did the swap on my car and I am
throughly pleased. Going to 315 vs 305 is a very minimal change in total tire diameter. As an extra bonus, the Michelins are less costly and should be better wearing.

 

So 1600USD for the pair of rear shocks?

 

There have been many FChat threads and tons of information on this subject recently. Bottom line, EVERYBODY who has moved to the Michelin SS loves them. They're going to be my next set.

 

That isn't bad at all! Strange, I thought they cost much much more!!

 

I just checked with Ricambi:

Front shock @ $3255.84 each and the rear shocks @ $3255.87 each

 

"One upgrade I have done which I highly recommend BTW is to get the HGTE F1 gearbox software installed. Much better! Should be standard retrofit to all 599s."

I didn't realize this software upgrade was available separately as it is part of the HGTE Performance Upgrade that includes the exhaust. I had inquired numerous places in the US and was unable to find a dealer that would just sell and install the software.

 

Please buy and send me a pair of shocks for USD 1600.--, please!

This is serious, just to have as spares ...

 

I really doubt they cost that much now. Ricambi has good prices, would surprise me the dealer's are lower.

 

Delta-Vee is offering a "plug and play" solution.

 

From Delta-Vee...if we can put 10 people together.

"We don't offer service for this application at this time. We're actually looking for donations for forensic engineering so we can evaluate offering this service in the future if its cost effective. We'll have significant time and tooling costs and at this time we only receive a few inquiries a year for this application.

Have you shopped for new shocks? We had this discussion on Ferrarichat a month or so ago, we had an initiative to offer a brand new plug and play active damping system that's servicable, but we need ten owners/ businesses to move this forward.

Best,
Rob
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Rob Schermerhorn

 

599 shocks are about $1500 each in Europe:

http://www.eurospares.co.uk/searchResult_one.asp?S=257058&TM=1&TMo=704&TA=1&TB=42007

 

The second page of this thread isn't loading so I can't see the comments there.

I agree with you the brakes seem like a weird one. Ferrari usually recommends replacing the discs with the third set of pads. You are still on your first set and it doesn't seem to me there was anything done to wear the rotors down. Unless that was misrepresented. How are the pads in terms of wear. I'd want to know if the wear is in line with a street driven 599 for all those miles.

I have 20k miles on my 599 and its on its second set of pads and it has been to the track several times. The 599 brakes are excellent for the street but out of the box they are not quite excellent for really prolonged hard track driving. Fortunately I would just do a few laps and come in so I never really cooked them too badly.

As to options- I suppose you could buy the factory rotors or look elsewhere. I think there are some aftermarket options to consider. When considering the price, also consider that you will likely sell your car for a few dollars less if you have non standard brakes on it.

I'd ask the dealer if there might be some kind of goodwill on the part of the dealer and or Ferrari that might make the cost a little more reasonable.

For the waggle, I think the HGTE suspension will solve it for turn in. However, it won't solve it for hard acceleration. Thats simply the car slightly overwhelming the available grip on the tire that is doing most of the gripping. The Michelin Pilot Super Sports solve that.

The car will sit a little lower on the HGTE and my dealer set it to "European" suspension height- its still got good clearance but the car is definitely a little lower than what I observe stock HGTE cars are. I like it. But this highlighted the slightly inboard stance of the stock suspension. As my track days are behind me, I fitted 20mm Novitec spacers to the car and the look is terrific. An added benefit that I did not anticipate is the car feels more stable and even more solid. I can't explain it but thats my experience. Maybe by widening the track and and increasing stability, it also increases the sense of solidity in the vehicle. I expected the car to have a noticeable drop off in turn in crispness but not really. I had the car realigned and I am very happy with the resulting dynamics. Final piece of the puzzle for me was to fit the Fabspeed secondary cat bypass pipes. The car sounds amazing and it makes a bit more power. Of note the car seems to be a little more free revving and shifts seem smoother too. Again, could be all imagined benefits but its how it comes across to me.

 

Mov'It makes CER replacement rotors and pads for the 599 that are much tougher than the original CCM rotors. Solid CSC instead of a thin layer of braking medium. Believe Racing Brake does, too. Would never need to be replaced except pads.

Have 396 mm Mov'It CERs on my 575M. No squeal, no dust, rotors never wear out. About the same price as the CCMs.

 

Thanks Terry. These are great recommendations.