I'm sure I have seen this topic somewhere but too many to go through to find info. Does anybody know if the plaque which would be 80 in this case, is numbered in the Aperta just I thought it would be 1 of ....... 80 or 499 etc. As I have seen a picture of one which is the actual number in the series out of 80. So surely that would make it easier to put an actual number on this model, or does it get so far into the run of numbers and then revert to 1 of..........
As far as I know the last model that was a truly numbered Ferrari was the 550 Barchetta Pininfarina. (i.e. you might own #200/448). Every car after that gets a plaque that states "1 of XX". However, some asked for a custom plaque that would state a number like perhaps "80 of 80" but as I understand it, these are printed to client request and not actually referencing the production......
The Aperta wasn't available with individually-numbered plaques a la the F50, 550 Barchetta, etc. However, Aperta owners had the option of paying $1,000 for a plaque that would individually number their car. There are two known Apertas with plaques that say that car is #80 of 80 (182867 and 186277). Since there are already 120 Apertas in my dataase, and I'm certain to be missing at least 40 more, the money wasted on 80/80 plaques is just that - money wasted. All of the other Apertas simply have plaques that say that the Aperta is a limited edition, one of 80, but no other number signifying their place in the model run.
Carbon.. Good to see You back... Are neither of the "80/80" Apertas actually the Last car produced? seems quite possible... regards Parker
Chronologically speaking, 182867 is 89/120+ (please note my emphasis on chronologically; and 186277 is the penultimate Aperta in my incomplete list of 120. Please note that while I only have 120 Apertas in my list, I have it through solid authority that at least 150-160 were produced.
I smell a large sum compensation for aperta owners that were lead to believe their cars were one of only 80. Which dealers and Ferrari were pushing so publicly.
I've yet to see or learn of anyone winning a lawsuit against Ferrari. Some people have even tried to discouraging me from writing a book.
The Apertas have probably had the highest jump (in a short few years) up from MSRP than any non supercar Ferrari in awhile..... Carbon... tried to discourage me from writing a book ? soo?
Really?!!? That's surprising, I would like to bring this issue to light just to shut a obnoxious aperta owner up, who's always bragging that his is one of 80. I love to see his face when I show him ur facts that's one of 160 or something. But I'm a nice guy, so.... Like warren Buffett taught us, if ur a rich x-hole, ur still an x@@hole. Actually I been wanting to get an aperta so I can tell other owners that it isn't one of 80 as u mentioned long ago.
Carbon- Brings up another question. We have been using 3025 as the number of 612s because of the 3025 of 3025 plaque on the "last" 612. Wonder if there could be more than one of those plaques, too? Image Unavailable, Please Login
Here is the picture I refer too. I knew they were 1of..... But with this being a low number series I thought they got so far through upto 80 and changed to 1 of.... Image shown by Tom hartley jnr Twitter as a sneak preview of what he has just bought and will be for sale soon. https://mobile.twitter.com/TomHartleyjnr/media/grid?idx=0&tid=581917177369989121 Image Unavailable, Please Login
Carbon, I do not doubt the authenticity of your statement that there were 160 Apertas made, but would love to see the actual VIN's, at a bare minimum, of the 120+ VIN's you have in your database. I think its a lot to ask, but I think your claim requires a factual foundation which I have no doubt you can provide. Not looking to start any kind of s...storm, but Ferrari saying they made 80 Apertas produced and that being false information is obviously a HUGE issue on multiple levels. We all talk about the reality/claim/charge that Ferrari manufactures many more of their limited production cars than they purportedly claim in their literature. Since the 599SA is the most limited production Ferrari since the 60's (even more limited allegedly than the Daytona Spyder) I think its a perfect model to discuss. I also think this thread is the perfect place to delineate all of the 120+ VIN's. Looking forward to seeing the VIN's.
Wonder if that plaque of 04 of 80 is the optional silver plaque that you can have engraved with anything you want? Do all of them have the same signature below?
100% agreed. If Ferrari is advertising a limited production of 80 samples, and the produced twice as much, it can be called a Fraud.
Here is 007/080 from an early production car in yellow from Switzerland: http://ag-spots-2011.o.auroraobjects.eu/2011/07/21/c693321072011203435_4.jpg
And why should he do so? Knowing the people who provide such v.i.n.'s myself as well as other sources where you can get them, I don't think you'll find such information in the public domain just like that - mainly out of respect for their years of work or the partly delicate sources. Though, if you sign up with f-register - which might not be up to date - you'll have access to at least 110+ confirmed SA Aperta serial numbers! Home | F-Register One can btw. raise the number easily to 130+ confirmed cars, as there are pictures of at least 10 Apertas floating around the net, which are definitely no match for any of the indentified cars...
Well John, you are always welcome helping to bring a bit more light into the definite number of Apertas, by trying to indentify "3635 J8" and "8021 J3" from your country...
Will take pics when I see them. I been wanting the electric blue aperta for a month now, I think sooner or later I gots to have it. The aperta feels more raw than my gto, and with bigger wheels and some XX accents I think it's one sexy beast. I can only imagine how the f60 America drives like.
My 599 GTO VIN has been made public. I see no issue with respect to delicacy or privacy. Rather, I see a desire to make a wild claim and then not support same with evidentiary proof. We are all big boys here. You can punt on the issue employing a smokescreen of delicacy or privacy but I say BS. If there are 30+ 250 GTO owners 100% of their VIN's are known (and the owners as well). Are you saying that the Aperta owners should be more protected than 250 GTO's owners ? Respectfully, the buck has to stop somewhere. If you have 120+ Aperta VIN's and they are ALL legitimate VIN's then there has been a massive fraud perpetrated on original owners. Anyway, this is easily resolved by just coming up with the VIN's. I really don't care about whom owns the cars and neither should anybody else for purposes of proving that more than 80 Apertas were manufactured from the factory.
I guess I'm naive but if true, I'm shocked at Ferrari's lack of integrity. Am I the only one for whom this was a revelation? Further confessing my ignorance, I never understood why it is so hard to know the production numbers of any modern Ferrari. Why the secret? Are serial numbers non sequential?
There are detail differences in the plaques, but it kind of looks like you could get what you wanted on the plaque. Note one has a signature and the other does not, but the Ferrari and number script looks the same. The one with the signature moved the 004/080 closer to the Ferrari script. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
