Hypothetical 599 Manual Conversion

who did the conversion ?

 

Has the car already been converted, or are you thinking of converting it?

 

Sounds like a spend $20K on a conversion, hope to make $100K on sale kind of question.

 

can one convert a 599 for only $20k? I have little interest in doing it for financial gain but would love to have a 3-pedal to drive.


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Has one EVER been converted?

 

Just think......if done, in 30 or so years some auction guide book will have the phrase: "Converted in period to true manual configuration".

That'll get the paddles waving.

 

I have parts list for conversion and its like $20-30k.

 

What would the list of parts be that came out of the F1? And what would they sell for used? Just curious.

 

How much is the labor?

 

Not if the auction house gets their information from me.


Is the owner considering the conversion because of the recent auction where a manual 599 paddled for more than half a million dollars?

 

It's like converting a 70's sportmatic 911 to manual, can had been done, but it will never carry the value and chassis number of an original!

 

Did you get that list from someone who has actually converted a 599, or is it a theoretical list? Sometimes the devil is in the details, and there can be quite a difference once you dig in...

 

How would you ever get the ECU's to harmonize?

 

Guys it is hypothetical.. but I excluded the bolts. Each part is drawn from the Ricambi catalog. I have it in excel sheet. Not sure what labor would be.. and as far as used parts, there is some parts homology. Its a few key pieces that aren't shared. Some is between 612 components. I'd be happy to email anyone who wants it the list I put together.

Recoding the ECU to get rid of the F1.. THAT I'm not sure of. Though as its an auto manual system like the 360 and 430, it can't be that hard to wipe out F1 aspect.

 

Here's my question. If the owner has a 599, and is willing to spend 10s of thousands of dollars to convert it to a manual transmission...

...does the owner also own an Enzo, and has he considered converting it to a manual?!? The Enzo engine is derived from the 599 engine, so I'm of the belief that if some 599s were equipped with sticks, a manual Enzo conversion is possible. If this guy is gonna do something crazy, he should do something really crazy.

 

Curt- If your list does not include a pair of Motronic ECUs for manual transmissions, it is incomplete.

Carbon- There are parts to convert a 599, but not to convert an Enzo. An order of magnitude more difficult.

 

What's up Carb, hope you are well.

Keep in mind the Enzo was never engineered with a manual transmission in mind. The fact that the 599 engine is related closely to that of the Enzo is irrelevant.

There would be no plug-and-play fitment of OEM parts for such a project. Your suggestion would amount to building a kit car, which naturally can be done; but the result would be not an Enzo but some kind of monstrosity!! Would you really enjoy the result?

A 599 conversion would be in the cards if money were not an object.

 

What if you hot-rodded a manual 599 engine? Can a 599 XX engine be converted to a manual? If so, could you install a manual 599 XX engine into an Enzo?

All is well, Dave, thank you; I hope you're well, too.

 

599XX could also be converted, sure. Just bolt on a manual 599 gearbox (unsure if the XX gearbox is a proper race gearbox or a GTB derived one with faster software, and can't be bothered to google it).

I don't think the Enzo gearbox is similar to the 599 one, which will be the biggest hurdle in converting it to manual.

Presumably the biggest reason one would want a 599XX engine into an Enzo is because of the noise...might be easier to get a set of 6-1 manifolds made and fiddle with the software to get close to the 599XX HP. Personally I'd get the gearbox upgraded with superfast II software and hardware for much faster shifts.

 

In my case, I just want to see an Enzo with three pedals and a stick!

 

I'm very surprised by some of the seemingly mean-spirited replies. Is it perhaps the collectors who don't want to see there artificially-priced manual car's value go down because we've all discovered that F1 and MT are actually quite similar and probably interchangeable?

Dedicated track cars, like the 599XX, should keep their F1 systems since their goal is singular - get around the track as fast possible. And we all know that F1 and DCT will almost certainly do that over MT.

However, for enthusiasts in road cars, those systems have little advantage - except for those who are physically challenged in some way. On the road, IMO, there is no better way to be connected to the Ferrari experience than with a MT. And a MT should last forever, if properly maintained. F1 IS expensive to maintain and we don't really know how sustainable it is decades into the future.

What saddens me is that, since MT is a small percentage of the last (sic) generation of Ferraris to have it (F430, 612, and 599), it has now become an issue of "collectability", instead of the experience and maintainability.

 

i've asked the same Q about 575 f1.......

i think there is interest. has not been done to either 599 or 575 to my knowledge