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6 speed manual Ferrari 612 going to auction!

Discussion in '612/599' started by flumpy, Jul 11, 2015.

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  1. flumpy

    flumpy Formula Junior

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  2. shmluisfc

    shmluisfc Karting

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    Very cool. Wish it was state side though.
     
  3. KY _Soldier

    KY _Soldier Formula Junior

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    aftermarket stereo to boot :)
     
  4. SciFrog

    SciFrog Formula Junior

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    Hopefully it sells for gazillions. LOL
     
  5. shmluisfc

    shmluisfc Karting

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    I predict $197000 US with fees. Anyone else care to predict? :)
     
  6. shizzle

    shizzle Rookie

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    Sold for $160k US.
     
  7. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Tuned in just before the 612, caught the Jag before it only.

    Market stabilizing/weakening? I actually suspected atleast 50K higher...
     
  8. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    I find the Alfa SZ's also going quite weak...
     
  9. shizzle

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    It'll be interesting to see how this effects the NA market. Most European economies aren't doing so well right now. IMHO it won't affect prices over here much, although it does make importing more interesting. I thought the 575 prototype would be in the $200k US range, but it didn't even break $100k US!
     
  10. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    The 575 number was nothing but pathetic...I imaged at least a little craziness!

    Murcielago triple record car was also very low.
     
  11. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    £1.1m for the 250, 100-500K under estimate.
     
  12. flumpy

    flumpy Formula Junior

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    The 612 sold for $183,500 including commision, a new record for Europe!
     
  13. southnc

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    Very interesting.

    Thanks for the update
     
  14. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    New record but low for what happened 599 manual value.
     
  15. southnc

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    That's because there were only a handful of manual 599 vehicles built. About 10% of 612s were manual - much higher numbers.

    For comparison, consider a MT 360 vs MT F430: There are virtually no premiums for a MT 360, whilst there are very high premiums for a MT F430. It comes down to numbers; there are a healthy percentage of MT 360 Ferraris, but a very small fraction of F430 vehicles.

    It all comes down to speculators - they are the ones driving the prices up. They do not go by performance - it's simply rarity.
     
  16. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Less than 50 Manual 612s apparently.

    10% rule applies to V8 Ferrari's (especially 430. I reckon at least 15-20% of 360s are manual) more. I think for 575 It's less than 8%.

    599 GTB has over 50 manuals.
     
  17. southnc

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    #17 southnc, Sep 8, 2015
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    Your numbers are way too low for the 612; unless your referring to a specific country.

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/612-599/495247-199-manual-612%B4s-built.html

    10% V8 Rule? It may apply to F430 only. What other V8 does it apply to? There are only 1 or 2 California MT cars.

    I'm not buying the "over 50 manuals" for 599 either. Where is your evidence?
     
  18. momiji

    momiji Karting

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    RM mentioned that there are only 43 manual 612s - but this is a somewhat economical description because they were referring to European spec cars only. There are considerably more in total - and certainly not as rare as a manual 599
     
  19. flumpy

    flumpy Formula Junior

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    Less than 30 RHD for the World.
     
  20. Themaven

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    There were 246 manual 575s made, of which 69 UK RHD, out of a total production run of 2056.
     
  21. Themaven

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    There was one (1) UK RHD manual California made. Don't have numbers for total run.
     
  22. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    My ''10%'' saying has come from the generalisation when people say that ''only 10% of Ferrari's made right now come with a manual'', a few years back. People generally took that as that off each model made at that time, around 10% are manuals, which was simply false, as the 599 and 612 proved, made at the same time as the 430 of course.

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/141202573-post13.html

    Whilst that is not absolute proof, Toolfan has deep knowledge of all things Ferrari, attack it anyway you like, his statement is a solid guideline.

    RM themselves mentioned the 50 manual 612's. Might be a tad on the low side but I've got sincere doubts it even touches triple figures world wide. I've been watching the Euro market on these for years and for all cars mentioned (575, 612 and 599), manuals have been very rare. Even (well) before the market with bat**** insane.
    Thank you. A bit more than 8%, but I wasn't far off! :)
     
  23. southnc

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    You stated 10% rules applies to V8s. 575 is a V12 - not a V8.

    I wish Ferrari was not so secretive about their production numbers.
     
  24. Super_Dave

    Super_Dave Formula Junior

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    $210k for a 612 manual?

    $160k seems too high for my personal taste already.
     
  25. SciFrog

    SciFrog Formula Junior

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    #25 SciFrog, Sep 8, 2015
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    Well it sold for more than I expected and than their estimate was... So not bad overall for a RHD with the wrong color...

    There seems to be a grand total of 199 612 manuals in the world, about 80 in the USA...

    That makes it a rare Ferrari, last of a certain breed, albeit not as rare as the 599 manual.
     

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