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Old 05-11-2013, 08:58 AM
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FYI - It can't be undisputed if people are disputing it.

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Peloton - by your logic, you believe that if Ferrari have in fact sold all 499 LF's then they wouldn't bring the car to any of major shows such as Paris, Frankfurt, etc nor to any of their dealers around the world simply because there's no point in anyone (clients, press, public) seeing it now as there are no more for sale?

This theory of yours is just plain stupid.
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FYI - It can't be undisputed if people are disputing it.
What are you basing your dispute on? A feeling you got after reading McLaren message boards?

Jog on.
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Old 05-11-2013, 09:04 AM
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I didn't say anything about a majopr motor show. I'm referring to these private viewings at dealers in Hong Kong and Los Angeles. I will say one thing - this may become the first Ferrari hypercar where they actually build the number they originally said they would.

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I didn't say anything about a majopr motor show. I'm referring to these private viewings at dealers in Hong Kong and Los Angeles. I will say one thing - this may become the first Ferrari hypercar where they actually build the number they originally said they would.
In HK customers will get a private viewing before the car is displayed to the public for everyone to see.

And they will definitely build more than 499. If they are struggling to sell them then why are they turning away established clients like Frefan who was ready to write a cheque? He has to settle for the McLaren now because Ferrari told him there was no way he could get one, despite owning several Ferrari's including F40, F50, etc.

Your argument doesn't make any sense, it's based on nothing more than a feeling you have.
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Old 05-11-2013, 09:28 AM
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Yes - the same thing happened in the UK where owners were told that despite being good customers, Ferrari wouldn't have a La Ferrari (lol) for them. Then later they have been offered slots in the production and in at least two cases have chosen to pass. One of these owners of an F40 and F50 went to Geneva and they wouldn't even allow him to sit in the car.

Typical Ferrari arrogance is spoiling the brand.

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Old 05-11-2013, 02:22 PM
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Kds - I agree, I can't think of a better reason. There were also apparently some private showings recently in California. They wouldn't be doing these sorts of things if the car was truly sold out.

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It's called marketing the brand. Criticize Ferrari all you want, but this is something McLaren has failed spectacularly at. Maybe it would help them sell the remaining 125 or so P1's, and the remaining 2012 12c's....
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Old 05-11-2013, 03:00 PM
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I find it funny how every defense of Ferrari when I am involved in the discussion involves/includes an attack on the McLaren brand. I have never suggested, nor would I claim, that McLaren have executed a perfect strategy in the road car business. This is a new endeavor for them striking out on their own and there are sure to be stumbles. I don't hold the blind faith for them that some of you think I do or that many seem to exhibit for Ferrari regardless of what they do.

Ferrari did no dealer tour with the Enzo and sold far more than they intended. Why spend the money on such activities if they've filled all the spots they need to with La Ferrari (lol)?

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Once again the McLaren trolls invade Fchat.

What was a really nice update about a super car being on display has turned ugly from a few people with their own agenda.


McLaren put the P1 on display in China also. What's the matter? Can't they sell them?

http://www.carnewschina.com/2013/04/...9-million-usd/

The McLaren P1 supercar has been launched on the Chinese car market, priced at a manic 12 million yuan or 1.9 million USD. The P1 debuted yesterday, on a private viewing in the great beach-city of Sanya in Hainan. The McLaren supercar will now go on tour to the cities Shanghai, Guangzhou, Beijing and Chengdu for similar events.

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McLaren put the P1 on display in China also. What's the matter? Can't they sell them?
That's the thing - McLaren can't. Because McLaren are bringing the P1 around the world, desperately trying to sell the remaining 125+ cars, Peloton thinks the only reason Ferrari would bring LaFerrari to HK is because they're "struggling" to sell 499 of them.
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Old 05-11-2013, 05:15 PM
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Did either of you have a point that I didn't already make?

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There's really no shame here - McLaren and Porsche are doing the same world tours with their hypercars in order to fill up the order books.
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Old 05-11-2013, 05:27 PM
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I find it funny how every defense of Ferrari when I am involved in the discussion involves/includes an attack on the McLaren brand. I have never suggested, nor would I claim, that McLaren have executed a perfect strategy in the road car business. This is a new endeavor for them striking out on their own and there are sure to be stumbles. I don't hold the blind faith for them that some of you think I do or that many seem to exhibit for Ferrari regardless of what they do.

Ferrari did no dealer tour with the Enzo and sold far more than they intended. Why spend the money on such activities if they've filled all the spots they need to with La Ferrari (lol)?

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And why can't we attack McLaren? You seem to enjoy taking shots at Ferrari. Likewise many of us enjoy defending Ferrari. Much like you enjoy defending Lotus. Sorry, I mean McLaren.
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Old 05-11-2013, 05:38 PM
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Erik is just bummed about the P1 so he assumes the same is true for the F70.
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Old 05-11-2013, 05:38 PM
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And why can't we attack McLaren? You seem to enjoy taking shots at Ferrari. Likewise many of us enjoy defending Ferrari. Much like you enjoy defending Lotus. Sorry, I mean McLaren.
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Feel free to take issue with whatever you want - I was just pointing out the consistent response pattern when I raise an issue or make a controversial comment about something Ferrari-related - it's always the same tack. No one seems to be able to respond directly without dragging McLaren into it.

It's not offensive to me - I am not McLaren. I don't make their decisions nor do I have any control over their actions any more than you do.

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It means open for public.
wasn't expecting it to be as simple as just walking in and taking photos LOL

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Old 05-13-2013, 05:33 AM
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wasn't expecting it to be as simple as just walking in and taking photos LOL

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Most beautifuls pics i have seen so far about the laferrari. Good photographer and natural light are so much better Than geneva pics !
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:21 AM
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wasn't expecting it to be as simple as just walking in and taking photos LOL

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great pix icyJ! much enjoy your work.

the events in hk were great fun. halo effect is immense. foc had a great event and membership is expanding. first f12 demo on the road. local dealer about to celebrate 30 year anniversary. lots of feel good factor.

I really don't get the negativity over what was an overwhelmingly positive pitstop for the car after the shanghai auto show
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Old 05-13-2013, 02:11 PM
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great pix icyJ! much enjoy your work.

the events in hk were great fun. halo effect is immense. foc had a great event and membership is expanding. first f12 demo on the road. local dealer about to celebrate 30 year anniversary. lots of feel good factor.

I really don't get the negativity over what was an overwhelmingly positive pitstop for the car after the shanghai auto show
How many will go to HK?

You getting one?

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Hmmm.

Looks like we agree to disagree.

But lets agree to re-visit how the market treats each of these cars in say a year.

That would probably give some real information as opposed to all the bickering whether it be informed or uninformed, biased or unbiased, objective or subjective.
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:22 AM
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How many will go to HK?

You getting one?

Cheers!
Talking to the showroom guys at the launch on friday it seems that there were aout 70 folks in HK who could "qualify" (apparently 5 Ferraris or more already, with more "points" for older collectables, towards some unwritten centralised Ferrari allocation procedure), although only about 20 cars would be allocated to "sufficiently qualified" HK buyers, or so they seemed to think.
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