Horsey needs some new shoes. Any opinions on these? Toyo Proxes R888 Kumho V70A Michelin Pilot Cup Sport (this is what i have now) Any thoughts most welcome.
They are not as good as I remember Yoko A008RS were, but this could be my memory! So happy to look at something else.
Horse.....my opinion is that the Toyo R888 is the best of the bunch you have listed. The Toyo comes in early and will stay around for quite a while before going off or getting hot. I run these on the road and they are also fine in the wet, (I have AWD!). The Kumho are ok in smaller sizes and work very well on sedan type cars. Watch the sizing though. Some of the larger sizes do not measure the size the tyre claims to be. The Michelin is diabolical in the wet and also takes some time to come in. When hot it is very grippy but seems to go over optimum temp very early. My car is around 1350kg's and even on 295/30-18 rears, they get way too hot after a 5 lap supersprint run. If you were doing time shoot outs and could get these to the optimum temp before you went out for your one lap blast, they would be the ducks guts, but they are not as good all round as the Toyo in my view.
A helpful, sensible reply - what are you doing on this site???? That's about what I've heard too. My experience is that the michelins take too long to heat up and seem to have a very small window where they are great. only driven in the rain once and thought they were quite good. haven't herad much on the Kumho's but the size thing has put me off. looks like the Toyos. Any other thoughts - these are 16" wheels, so not a hell of a lot of choice these days.
I had Proxes before, Pirelli P zeros now... no complaints with either really, but I think the Toyos might get a bit longer life?
Hi Karen, they call a lot of their tyres Proxes, it's the R888 which is their soft R rated motor sport tyre that I'm interested in.
R888's would be my choice.....but I have no experence with any of the ones listed. I have used RA1'a on my old race car and compared to every other tyre (and I tried heaps) the RA1 was the best, so Toyo as a brand gets my vote and the R888's look cool I am not a tyre expert and cannot diagnose why I felt the Toyo's worked better but it was probably due to them becoming sticky earlier than the others which meant even though I was not pushing the tyre around it was still getting to working temp and doing a good job. I ran Hankook z2000 which value for money were great. But Toyo gets my vote!
hey Horsey, I hear crossplies work really well at QR (wink wink) just a helpful hint to a fellow QV owner they will save you at least 3 SECS
Yeah, sorry about that.....you see, I am a tyre guy. It's what I do, so as soon as the discussion turns to tyres, I get all animated and informative. Outside of that though, it's all down hill! Have no opinions, no conversation and not really any personality that you would bother to mention. So in a nutshell, you have had the best of me! oh, by the way............get the toyo's!
These new Kumho tyres would be good. Go well on the Jag, too, BJ. Next new thing after coloured burn outs- http://www.aromatyres.com.au/
Hey 993, If you're in the tyre business, any thoughts on tyres for a 456? I know it lacks imagination, but I was going to replace the P Zeros with, well, P Zeros. Reason for replacement is that they're about 8 years old and would be best used for sharpening axes...
I run the R888's and reckon they are brilliant, I wouldn't change my mind having used them, I concur with Grant's comments on the Michelin Cups, had them on second track wheels on the BMW and they are slower to warm up, that said you are using them as a street tyre and that is probably not as critical. You know I did quite a bit of research on current R tyres before buying them as my street tyre on the 430, just before the Tassie trip we did, they are the tyre of choice on the front line cars in Targa Tas. If you can get the right size go with R888's IMO.
Hi Dave, you would laugh if you knew the tyre business I am in, but the science is the same anyway. My choice for the 456 would be Continental ContiSport11's. In my experience, and I stress that part, the Continental gives grip almost at the levels of Pirelli's and Michelin's more extreme rubber and yet works particularly well on on more road orientated stuff. I run these on my wife's 325i which is quite a heavy car for it's size, and they are the best combination of wear rate, grip and comfort. They are just as expensively priced so if you have to have the dearest of everything, you wont be let down but they will keep wearing way after the P's and M's have given up the ghost. I fitted a new set to my Porsche for a track day in Adelaide where we took clients and some guys from this site for many laps of Mallala circuit for the day. The trick to doing those days is to get a tyre that has some slip so it feels exciting at lower speeds and yet can still hang on in the braking zones and so on. Normally a high end road tyre or a used set of semi-slicks is the go. The Conti's were great. They allowed me to slide the Porsche, which can be treacherous at the best of times, and yet appear to be in complete control. They did over 70 laps in one day and then were set up to be used as the "wets" for the Adelaide Raly Sprint the next day! I ran them out on the Porsche over around 8000k's after the track day! That would be thousands of road k's. THat's my two bucks worth and I hope it helps. I have no commercial arrangement with Continental and I sell opposition products in my chosen field of mining and excavator tyres..........so it is the closest as I can get to an honest opinion!
