Go Back   FerrariChat.com > Regional Areas - International > Australia

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 09-17-2013, 03:44 AM
Six Time F1 World Champ
Not Subscribed
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Full Name: Peter
Posts: 69,097
Is it time for gun control in Washington?

At least 13 dead in Navy Yard shooting; possible suspect at large - The Washington Post
Reply With Quote
Non-Sponsor Ads
  #2  
Old 09-17-2013, 04:16 AM
moretti's Avatar
Three Time F1 World Champ
Lifetime Rossa
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Australia
Full Name: John
Posts: 36,957
My Garage
haha I was gunna start one if you didn't
__________________
there are no luggage racks on coffins

I want to be the world's best procrastinator but I keep putting it off
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-17-2013, 07:35 AM
Formula Junior
Not Subscribed
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Bris east
Posts: 868
They are blaming Clinton now, some law he enacted in 1993 where the soldiers were disarmed once inside the Yard.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-17-2013, 07:42 AM
Six Time F1 World Champ
Not Subscribed
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Full Name: Peter
Posts: 69,097
Quote:
Originally Posted by Schmick325 View Post
They are blaming Clinton now, some law he enacted in 1993 where the soldiers were disarmed once inside the Yard.
That makes perfect sense.

*cough*
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-17-2013, 08:15 AM
Formula Junior
Not Subscribed
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Bris east
Posts: 868
Rednex
Attached Images
File Type: jpg clinton.jpg (36.4 KB, 529 views)
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-17-2013, 05:42 PM
F1 Veteran
Silver Subscribed
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: North Qld
Full Name: simon klein
Posts: 9,952
Apparently authorities are wondering why this bloke went on his rampage........................




Well they're never going to find,since they were such great shots..
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-17-2013, 05:52 PM
Rob Lay's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Southlake, TX
Full Name: Rob Lay
Posts: 44,663
Blog Entries: 4
My Garage
LOL, I need to start sending commissions for the all the traffic generation!
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09-17-2013, 06:01 PM
F1 Veteran
Silver Subscribed
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: North Qld
Full Name: simon klein
Posts: 9,952
Quote:
Originally Posted by simon klein View Post
Apparently authorities are wondering why this bloke went on his rampage........................




Well they're never going to find,since they were such great shots..
Can someone please tell me why some of my posts' are getting duplicated?
Possibly including this one.
Reply With Quote
Non-Sponsor Ads
  #9  
Old 09-17-2013, 06:05 PM
RPN RPN is offline
Formula 3
Not Subscribed
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,097
Washington gunman treated for mental health issues: officials
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 09-17-2013, 06:07 PM
WILLIAM H's Avatar
Three Time F1 World Champ
Silver Subscribed
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Victory Circle
Full Name: HUBBSTER
Posts: 34,819
No, its time to control Democrat morons, tyrants & terrorists
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 09-17-2013, 06:24 PM
Rob Lay's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Southlake, TX
Full Name: Rob Lay
Posts: 44,663
Blog Entries: 4
My Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by simon klein View Post
Can someone please tell me why some of my posts' are getting duplicated?
Possibly including this one.
you stutter when you type?
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 09-17-2013, 06:38 PM
IanB's Avatar
F1 Veteran
Silver Subscribed
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Sydney
Posts: 9,530
Quote:
Originally Posted by WILLIAM H View Post
No, its time to control Democrat morons, tyrants & terrorists
I think you just called Aircon a Democrat moron.

I'm here to tell you that, while he may be a moron, he is not a Democrat!
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 09-17-2013, 06:39 PM
Horse's Avatar
F1 World Champ
Silver Subscribed
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Brisvegas
Full Name: Jon
Posts: 19,201
Quote:
Originally Posted by IanB View Post
I think you just called Aircon a Democrat moron.

I'm here to tell you that, while he may be a moron, he is not a Democrat!
+1
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 09-17-2013, 07:08 PM
dm_n_stuff's Avatar
Two Time F1 World Champ
Lifetime Rossa
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Fat Tip, FL
Full Name: Dave M.
Posts: 27,247
My Garage
D.C. Gun Laws Some of the Strictest in the U.S. - ABC News

Federal Law prohibits carrying a weapon on the grounds of ANY Federal facility, from the Post Office, to court houses, to places like this Navy Yard.

Federal law can't prohibit a nut, with a serious penchant for doing harm, from doing so if he really doesn't care if he dies in the act. This guy may have been one of those, what with the indications that he was perhaps schizophrenic (heard voices, tended towards violence, didn't sleep) and certainly paranoid with a persecution complex.

Where the system falls down is in the reporting of the issues that he had and the follow up. He was arrested TWICE for discharging a firearm, neither time resulting in anything on his permanent record. He was being treated for a serious mental disorder, but no one reported it to his employer, or the government. He was approved for Federal Contract work, despite his shaky record and psychological state.

There were multiple breakdowns here.

Buying a gun in the US varies by state. In Pennsylvania, you have to pass an instant background check. Interestingly, it took longer for my wife ( a former FBI agent) to clear the system than it did for me. I came up clean in about 5 minutes, it took us a couple hours to get her cleared. There's no waiting period in PA, and part of the system requires you to be honest in your application. So a good liar with no arrest record but serious mental issues can easily subvert the system unless he's been involuntarily committed by law enforcement at some point in his life.

And, even if you're all for gun control, how would you propose to recover the 400,000,000 guns (That's a guess, not a statistic, BTW) that are currently circulating among the citizenry of the USA?

I'm not saying it's a good idea to try, just wondering how you guys would suggest it be accomplished.

D

Last edited by dm_n_stuff; 09-17-2013 at 07:18 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 09-17-2013, 07:18 PM
Six Time F1 World Champ
Not Subscribed
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Full Name: Peter
Posts: 69,097
Quote:
Originally Posted by IanB View Post
I think you just called Aircon a Democrat moron.

I'm here to tell you that, while he may be a moron, he is not a Democrat!
+2
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 09-17-2013, 11:07 PM
moretti's Avatar
Three Time F1 World Champ
Lifetime Rossa
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Australia
Full Name: John
Posts: 36,957
My Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by dm_n_stuff View Post
D.C. Gun Laws Some of the Strictest in the U.S. - ABC News

Federal Law prohibits carrying a weapon on the grounds of ANY Federal facility, from the Post Office, to court houses, to places like this Navy Yard.

Federal law can't prohibit a nut, with a serious penchant for doing harm, from doing so if he really doesn't care if he dies in the act. This guy may have been one of those, what with the indications that he was perhaps schizophrenic (heard voices, tended towards violence, didn't sleep) and certainly paranoid with a persecution complex.

Where the system falls down is in the reporting of the issues that he had and the follow up. He was arrested TWICE for discharging a firearm, neither time resulting in anything on his permanent record. He was being treated for a serious mental disorder, but no one reported it to his employer, or the government. He was approved for Federal Contract work, despite his shaky record and psychological state.

There were multiple breakdowns here.

Buying a gun in the US varies by state. In Pennsylvania, you have to pass an instant background check. Interestingly, it took longer for my wife ( a former FBI agent) to clear the system than it did for me. I came up clean in about 5 minutes, it took us a couple hours to get her cleared. There's no waiting period in PA, and part of the system requires you to be honest in your application. So a good liar with no arrest record but serious mental issues can easily subvert the system unless he's been involuntarily committed by law enforcement at some point in his life.

And, even if you're all for gun control, how would you propose to recover the 400,000,000 guns (That's a guess, not a statistic, BTW) that are currently circulating among the citizenry of the USA?

I'm not saying it's a good idea to try, just wondering how you guys would suggest it be accomplished.

D
Here's how I see the problem you guys have in the US :

1. Not handling the mentally disturbed in a correct manner
2. Allowing people with disturbed backgrounds to get access to guns
3. Too many guns already in the population
4. Draconian laws limiting gun ownership would only incite more violence amongst the so called civilised right
5. You lot believe everything can be solved by gun fire



As to how do you get 400M guns out of circulation, well draconian laws by a dictator disarming the population is the ONLY way and that ain't gunna happen
__________________
there are no luggage racks on coffins

I want to be the world's best procrastinator but I keep putting it off
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 09-18-2013, 01:13 AM
Formula Junior
Not Subscribed
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: nth boring
Full Name: IN COGNITO
Posts: 332
^^^^
and illogical law making

New Iowa Law Lets Blind People Carry Guns In Public, Because Of Course It Does
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 09-18-2013, 05:26 AM
I16 I16 is offline
Formula 3
Not Subscribed
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,390
Venue for the next turkey shoot.....
Guns not welcome at Starbucks, but not banned | Stuff.co.nz
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 09-18-2013, 08:42 AM
WILLIAM H's Avatar
Three Time F1 World Champ
Silver Subscribed
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Victory Circle
Full Name: HUBBSTER
Posts: 34,819
Quote:
Originally Posted by IanB View Post
I think you just called Aircon a Democrat moron.

I'm here to tell you that, while he may be a moron, he is not a Democrat!
LOL
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:29 PM.


FerrariChat.com has no association with Ferrari S.p.A.
vB Ad Management by =RedTyger=

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.