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opinions on this GTB please

Discussion in 'Australia' started by simms, Jan 3, 2014.

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  1. simms

    simms Rookie

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    would anyone like to look at this listing and share any thoughts on condition / flaws / pros and cons of this example ?

    thankyou

    1976 Ferrari 308 GT GTB
     
  2. kimbo 308

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    I'm sure that the resident experts here will chime in soon, but here's a start:

    Early steel body GTB

    Car is a UK import... red carpets and dry sump engine oil set up

    Seats are not correct...fishbone pattern is out of a later fuel injected car.

    Minor instruments(clock and oil temperature gauge)on RH side below steering wheel look like they have been replaced by non -original items.

    Being a UK car checking for Rust critical...

    Hard to tell from the photo's but it looks like the Wheels are 15' metric rims and Michelin TRX tyres from a later model injected car also??


    Single pipe exhaust is period factory correct for the car and unusual to find...most replaced with a twin pipe set up.

    Price is not stupid money...depending on PPI....has future investment growth potential IMHO, but only if car is 100% original...


    Kimbo
     
  3. IanB

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    Seats, steering wheel, carpets, minor instruments, wheels all incorrect.

    Cost of rectifying all this would push this car well beyond a concours Aus delivery GTB.
     
  4. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Isn't it nice when everyone agrees?
     
  5. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Is it my eyesight, or is there a hole on the air cleaner box lid?
     
  6. Ossie

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    l think it's a sticker. Engine is dry sump too which makes comparison to local delivered cars less relevant as they're all wet sump.
     
  7. kimbo 308

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    Also just noticed that the two air con vents and ducting below the dashboard and the original Brico cigarette lighter(expensive and hard to find) are missing as well....

    To get everything right means spending some serious $$$....but early steel carby cars are rare and will become collectable IMHO.

    Kimbo
     
  8. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Which doesn't appear to be an issue, btw.

    Sooooooooooo.......I think you're wrong.

    HOWEVER.....if I could find the second best 308GTB in the world, (we know where the best one is) and I could get it at a good price and it happened to be a UK car, I'd buy it.
     
  9. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    By the way, the real answer to your question, given the price of the car, is get a PPI done on it (I suggest Tim and Black Stallion Motors in Ringwood) and if there's no rust and is mechanically sound, who gives a rat's about the other BS.

    The originality of the instruments, seats, carpets etc might affect the value a bit, but it could still be an awesome car.
     
  10. PAP 348

    PAP 348 Nine Time F1 World Champ
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    I am a buyer of that one for $20K.
     
  11. Ossie

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    Wrong about the sticker? OK I'll accept I could be wrong about that. :)
     
  12. Aircon

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    lol
     
  13. carl888

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    #13 carl888, Jan 3, 2014
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    Good on the seller for posting the heritage certificate, nice to see. Originally argento/red by the looks of things. I saw the car when Bob M owned it, appeared to be very nice though I did not look into it thoroughly. Kimbo has been thorough in her observations.

    I am confused however, that it is a steel car, when it clearly carries a vetroresina chassis number. I have been asked about this before, and I am no closer to an explanation than I was a few years back.

    I would like to know the engine and assembly numbers and that would help. Does anyone know? My personal opinion is that for what ever reason the car has been re-numbered. I do not wish to single this car out as odd for that reason, re-numbering whilst uncommon is not unique to this 308. (Another good example in Australia is 330/365 GTC #11177, was accident damaged in the 1960s, sent back to the factory when a 330 GTC and was "Repaired" and re-imported but suddenly was now a 365 GTC. The same number used to avoid paying duty, twice.)

    Being a UK specification car, perhaps it spent time in a country of high import taxes, Singapore, Hong Kong or Thailand for example, and its journey mirrors that of the 330/365?

    Good luck, and perhaps fill in your profile, thanks.
     
  14. FGT3

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    Nice, but it would help to be good with spanners and hammers and dollys, if you aspire to own these old cars in my view.
     
  15. Aircon

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    nah...you just need a good and honest mechanic.

    They don't cost much to run, once they're right.
     
  16. FGT3

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    #16 FGT3, Jan 3, 2014
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    Maybe so PP. There is another steel dry sump car on the market. Similar price too.
     
  17. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    I sort of get the impression these 308GTBs are worth as much as people like to think.
     
  18. FGT3

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    Many seem to remain on the market for a considerable time, not sure why that is, but most people finance newer models these days. Personally I rate an Azzurro California glass 308 as one of my all time favorite cars, but I guess I grew up admiring them. Suppose some of us also end up buying the cars we admire once we start earning decent incomes and our finances improve.
     
  19. Aircon

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    Are there any good ones around?
     
  20. FGT3

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    I know of one in Vic.
     
  21. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    I'll have to keep an eye out for it.

    Actually, I think there might be two here in Vic.
     
  22. carl888

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    Azzurro 106-A-32 to give its correct title was actually a popular colour in its day. Of the 44 Australian delivered glass cars, I have 7 as Azzurro, or at least, Azzurro originally! There was one delivered to Victoria in Azzurro with Boxer trim (As in the lower half in matte black) and it looked fabulous although I haven't seen it for many years.

    Azzurro was usually specified with cream leather (Connolly VM 3234) with brown carpets, although dark blue, tan and black leather with either blue or black carpets was also specified.
     
  23. Aircon

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    Dark blue leather you say? Sounds spectacular.
     
  24. carl888

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    Sounds spectacular, looks disgusting, whom knows.
     
  25. greg246

    greg246 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Whom's a ****wit
     

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