Carbon Ceramic v Steel brakes. Street use only.

You learnt how to use google I found that same pdf the other day when I was going to argue my point then, I thought I wouldnt bother The fact they are 50% lighter would mean better performance since the car is lighter but anyway I got to pack for the big trip

 

well if we stick to braking distances for a moment, i don't see that mentioned anywhere in this article.

the other advantages are, of course, well documented.

i'll comment on the other URL in a minute

 

IF they do..and it's a big if..then i can't see why it would be anymore than the possible ease of stopping their lighter weight rotating. even then, i'm not sure if it would be measurable reliably in one stop, and i've never seem comparative figures from any manufacturer. Just the dust, weight and fade free advantages.

 

Phil, i just finished reading the motorbike link on the CC brakes. They sound sensational....I'd LOVE to have some, and i can see people, in the future when prices are more realistic, maybe changing to them instead of the sort of thing on my car.

However, once again, there is NO claim of shorter stopping distances.

I'm fairly sure that, in your example, if you had steel brakes the size of the 430 ceramics (with cooling) you wouldn't get any brake fade in your "tests" which are, ridiculously, totally abnormal!

One of the things being overlooked here is that even comparing CC on the 430 to non CC on the 430 is unfair as there is a MASSIVE difference in size.

Anyway....they sound fantastic.

 

you must have cars with really crappy brakes. how about we compare CC brakes to GOOD steel brakes, hey? just for the sake of real comparison.

i don't spose it's worth quoting AHG again when he says he had NO brake fade in his totally standard (as far as the brakes were concerned) 355...even at Calder because I'm sure you don't believe him....he was probably making it up....no ...wait...he was lying...cos anyone whose opinion isn't the same as yours is lying, right? NO BRAKE FADE.

 

hey that's me

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no thanks , i've gone up fast but never want to go down as quick

 

there's no point discussing anything when phil's involved, cos...well...cos!

Ok...AHG lied, according to you. Smart move...we have no way of checking.

 

stop the pain mods

 

I once did 160kmh DOWN Mt Wellington in Hobart when I lived there a million years ago. Pretty dumb; but what was even dumber was that it was 1 am at the time....

 

He paid $36k for them on the 430, what do you reckon the verdict will be?

 

4500 k's on the 430 and the pads feel like they are on the way out . i remember you guys saying that AHG's 430 had pads replaced early on. 10000 k's in the CS and they seem ok . well documented that the GT2 carbons were 5hit and i pulled them straight off and fitted big stock porsche steel rotors with yellow padig pads . they were great on the track , no fade at all . the GT3 steel rotors are slightly smaller but still great on the track , no fade . if steel rotors came in the same size as the carbons on the ferrari then i would go for steel and save the dollars . i could of and should of added after market steel rotors on the 430 and then placed the stock rotors back on the car at sale time . not that i am upset at buying the carbons , there great . lets hope i never get to the end of the rotor life ...it will hurt the pocket . give me 100 kilos less in a car rather than bigger brakes any day .i noticed the carbons on the zonda look identical to the 430 . the calliper has brembo on the side as well as pagani i think . i'd bet they are the same rotor and calliper size . i'll chase a pic and post

 

Yep, there's only one spot on Wellington you can do that and whilst it is downhill, its not super steep. Do you remember the Targa stage at Cethana where there is a fast downhill (around 180) with a tightish left at the bottom?
That one makes the ring gear pucker up.

Can't believe the loose use of the truth in post 13 above, talk about journalistic licence!!

 

lost modulation i think , remember i'm a novice . weight diff not sure , say 80 to 100 kg . never really hit the brakes hard in alice , just off throttle and started to breath again

 

It's been eight years since my last Targa, so I can't say I remember the corner off the top of my head. If I saw it again perhaps I would, the memory isn't what it used to be.
Doing 160kmh in a 1982 Toyota Celica at 1am is scary, even though it may be ok in today's performance cars. I really am surprised that I never killed myself in those days. Another time we had a race at 160kmh past the casino on Sandy Bay road- very stupid stuff.