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Netjet or a competitor thereof?

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  1. Gershwin

    Gershwin F1 Veteran

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    25-50 hours who would you fly with? I'm not a big Berkshire fan myself but wondering if there is a good alternative.
     
  2. RWP137

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    Flexjet has a pretty large network as well.
     
  3. Jeff Kennedy

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    Flight Options has the same ownership as Flexjet.

    Be careful to understand the charge structures and service areas. Be honest about how you will use the hours.

    Look strongly at seeing if you can make a deal with a local charter operator. That is unless you intend to do a lot of one-way trips or ones with extended stays before returning.

    Go in with your eyes open. Read and comprehend al the agreement. Fractionals are expensive and you will be trading money for one-call convenience.

    Jeff
     
  4. Jason Crandall

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    I'd just book with a broker every time you want to fly. Call 10 of them. See who offers the best deal.
     
  5. CornersWell

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    Friend of mine just terminated his ownership of an Avanti share (Piaggio) and NetJets for a WheelsUp.

    Wheels Up

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  6. donv

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    Normally, I would say that Netjets is a great choice. They're expensive, but in my experience they are also generally worth it.

    But... they are in the middle of very contentious labor negotiations right now, and I would think twice about committing to them until they get that straightened out.

    I'd find a high quality charter operator (Solairus, EJM, Jet Aviation, or if you are in the LA area, Desert Jet or JetSet) and negotiate a block rate. It will probably be cheaper-- just be aware that there are a lot of bottom feeder charter operators out there, and a shiny airplane (and even an "ARGUS Gold" certificate on the wall) don't necessarily indicate a quality operation.
     
  7. lear60man

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    Please dont do this. Go with a well known, reputable 135 outfit. Some things you dont go cheap on, Lawyers, Doctors and Pilots etc.

    I just helped out on a pre buy for a GIV. The plane was operated by a known 135 bottom feeder. Plane was in such sorry shape I wouldnt even ferry it around the patch. But it was legal according to the paperwork.

    Negotiate a package deal and try to get a broker rate.

    PS...since you are in Kentucky....You will probably have to pay for a plane to get to you if there is not a suitable solution at your home base airport.
     
  8. absent

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    All true, learned the hard way.
    Now I have a trusted broker (Apollo Jets), always dealing with the same person, proven reliable, extremely competitive and would never put me and my family in anything that is questionable in any way.
     
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  10. donv

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    Have they gotten better? I know they were a pretty good operator, then merged with a bottom feeder, and the bottom feeder mentality took over. However, that was a few years ago.

    For the OP, I'd start by calling Solairus. I believe they have some airplanes in Kentucky, and my friends who work there are very positive on them as a company.

     
  11. Gershwin

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    There are international and regional airports within 15 minutes if my residence.
     
  12. Jeff Kennedy

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    Where are you intending to go?

    What sort of passenger load?

    How short of notice for a trip?

    These are factors to consider in making a best match to solve your needs. It also should be a part of any negotiation you make with whomever you decide to talk with.
     
  13. jcurry

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    This doesn't mean there are charters sitting around, or frequenting those airports on the days you may want to travel, hence re-positioning may be required which may carry certain costs.
     
  14. lear60man

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    My advice then would be to call around and find out what charter aircraft are based at these airports. Otherwise you will incur repositioning costs to get the plane to fly in and start your trip. Not a big deal if you are aware of the extra fees.
     
  15. donv

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    I've posted the name of a reputable charter operator with a base in Kentucky twice already. Why bother starting a thread if you aren't interested in the suggestions posted?
     
  16. Gershwin

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    Intend to fly to south Florida and Canada primaily. 1000 miles give or take each way base from Ky.

    Passenger load 4-6

    I don't require short notice all trips are planned well in advance.
     
  17. Gershwin

    Gershwin F1 Veteran

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    Donv, I noted your suggestion and intend to investigate. Thank you for the recommendation, very much appreciated!
     
  18. Gershwin

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    Didn't realize that. Looking at Wheels Up, they say booked for ours occupied. Curious why they don't acll the airline Occupied Air? ;)

    There are a couple charters local, one I've done business with before when I had my Lear a few years back. Although I was weighing the prepurchase hours vs straight up charter advantages.
     
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  20. Jeff Kennedy

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    With those missions look at turboprops too.

    Jeff
     
  21. cheesey

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    at the 1000 mile trip length, a turbo prop is on the edge of cost effectiveness... ( cheaper to run but it takes longer to get there )

    passenger load of 4-6 also is approaching typical seating limit in a turbo prop...

    turbo props are efficient in the shorter range and offer the use of smaller airports if destinations are not in large metro areas

    over simplified... a jet would get there in 1/2 the time of a turbo prop...and except for the smallest of jets, seating for 6 would not max out the cabin seating... generally a jet becomes more cost effective at the 1000 mile range with less time in the air and better seating accommodations / bigger loads... also jets in charter generally fly with 2 pilots while turbo props often fly single pilot... best to interview / get quotes from the charter provider to better match the plane to your needs
     
  22. Jason Crandall

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    #22 Jason Crandall, May 11, 2015
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    Sheesh. I guess all my coast to coast in my PC12 aren't really happening. I don't stop for gas unless I want too. Therefore I'm faster. Also hauling 6-8 all the time.
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  23. Jason Crandall

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  24. donv

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    How did you do going from PDK to SMO?

    Just curious-- how much fuel does the PC-12 hold?

     
  25. cheesey

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