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  1. WJGESQ

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    #1 WJGESQ, Jun 10, 2015
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    This may be of interest to some. Getting ready to sell our offices 1980 Warrior Ii, which is full IFR and which has served us quite well prior to the Baron.


    Anyway, we started the overhaul process and it's been a real neat experience. Learning a lot. Namely, TBO is a myth. True, it does exist. But it can mean very little.
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  7. donv

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    #7 donv, Jun 10, 2015
    How much time did you get out of the engine?

    My Citabria also has an O-320, so interested in your experience.

    Also, aren't you in Florida? Salt air and humidity is tough on engines...
     
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    #8 WJGESQ, Jun 11, 2015
    Yes. Florida. 2700 plus hours. But we flew it at least twice a week.

    I think what I've learned is that, providing the planes are flown frequently, TBO is a relative term.
     
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    #9 donv, Jun 11, 2015
    Oh, so you went way past TBO. Got it. I thought you were complaining that you didn't make TBO. Those O-320s are tough motors, for sure.

     
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    #10 WJGESQ, Jun 12, 2015
    Very good motors indeed.

    My complaint is that many are misled by TBO. And many folks are scared off of high time engines. My point is that high time might be far better if the plane has been flown. Low time motors might be an alluring selling point, but they can also be a siren song.
     
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    #11 jcurry, Jun 12, 2015
    Very true, but for the uninformed it means a lot. I remember when I bought my first airplane, and not knowing much, xxxx SMOH was always one of the first things looked at in an advertisement. 25yrs of maintenance later it means very little. First off is that TBO is only a recommendation for Part 91 operators. Second is it means very little. Failure can occur at any time for any number of reasons. Infant mortality is not uncommon. The engine in my Mooney is 1300SMOH, but the bottom end was overhauled 500 hrs ago and I did a complete TOH 300 hrs ago. Mags are also 500 since new. So about the only other thing missing from a major is a yellow tagged fuel pump, something that is almost indestructable. Yet people will look at the logs and think I have a 'high' time motor (1300 SMOH).
     
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    #12 donv, Jun 12, 2015
    So you're saying mine, with 218 hours since new (15 years old), is likely to fall apart? You might be right, you never know. I certainly agree that regular use is better for the engine than sitting.

     
  13. WJGESQ

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    #13 WJGESQ, Jun 13, 2015
    Hard to say. I just notice that the market has an aversion to high time motors and I'm not sure that such should be the case. The Waddington report from WWII is referenced by Avwebs Mike Busch and he has a fascinating book on the subject as well as the voodoo employed by A&Ps in diagnosing cylinder compressions.
     

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