Thinking of picking this up for my LA-SF commute

Price of entry is cheap. Price to keep your a$$ safe is much greater.

 

that plane is specifically banned by SMO


http://www.smgov.net/departments/airport/content.aspx?id=8697

 

If you're serious, I know the best shop in the business to maintain it, but bring your (and everyone else's) checkbook.



Mark

 

If they had their way every plane would be banned (@ SMO)

 

that day is sooner than later, I'm afraid

 

If you read the fine print, it says "after one violation." So you do get a freebie... One way around that is to schedule a "noise test" with the airport. I thought I had a new technique which would work. It didn't? My bad.

Wait, I need another test-- I have another idea!

Actually, you'd be crazy to fly that thing out of SMO anyway. LAX would be a much better choice, and not that far away. Just be sure to land on the south complex, or you might run out of fuel while taxiing.

 

I used to work at SMO, great airport with a TON of history, not to mention very convenient to west LA but the ultimate "NIMBY" facility. I hope it carries on, but I wouldn't bet on it.

and yes, a Mig taking off from there would go over like a fart in a spacesuit.

 

Chino or Van Nuys house a ton of war birds. That's where you would want to be.

I figured, but you never know.



Mark

 

If that was my commute I'd get one of these to do the job Sonex -- The Sport Aircraft Reality Check!

Saw one at Oshkosh this year and talk about "personal" size wise.. just sit in and wrap it around you.. with a built in parachute offered you don't need much crash protection anyway

 

pfffffft why settle for a measly Mach 2.0 speed?

1986 Mikoyan MIG 29 Aircraft for sale - Raptor Aviation Inc Quincy, IL - Trade-A-Plane Inventory ID 1740438

 

Darn Nurburgringer.... you beat me to it. I was pretty amazed to see you can buy a MIG-29! Its only 4 million more than the 21.

Also the Mig-29 has not been banned by SMO yet.

Amazing a T-38 project (warehouse of parts at that!) is $350K. I guess a T-38 is worth a lot more than a 21 since it can actually be used?

 

T-38 has a lot of advantages as a personal aircraft. It can carry two people, it's relatively efficient (in comparison to other jet warbirds), there are a lot of parts around, it performs well, and it's incredibly sexy looking.

I see it's not on the SMO banned list, either! Although I can't imagine it could pass their noise restrictions, given that the Lear 24 can't, and they have the same basic engines.

 

Every takeoff in the Talon is a burner takeoff...my bet is that it can't fly anywhere most people want to go as so many places have noise restrictions. Many places we used to fly into were happy to see us as they were set up to turn mil jets...had APUs, palouste units, etc. Not so much anymore. Get used to refueling in places out in the middle of nowhere...gets old fast.

 

The Thunderbirds hated their T-38s because they could not aerial refuel and had very limited range. Took several hops from Indian Springs/Nellis to get anywhere.

Any afterburning turbo-jet eats kerosene-based fuel out the kazoo. Much worse than the later low-bypass, after-burning turbo-fans. Trip costs would be horrendous. USAF aircraft came with a credit card for fuel if you needed to land at a civil airport. Doubt anything similar comes with the Mig. Never mind about maintenance costs.

 

Somebody really needs to design and build a two seat jet that will go 1500 miles, looks like the Talon, flies at 350-400 knots, and costs under $200,0000. I guess I still think like a little kid...

 

They tried to do that here in Albuquerque, but it did not work out too well and the price was a bit less than $1M originally. Did not look like a T-38, had four seats , so 2 for 4.

 

I'm sure the People's Republic of Santa Monica would welcome that baby with open arms. Probably give you a key to the city and a waiver to conduct operations after 10:00pm. I say Go for it!

 

Cessna is trying (okay, it doesn't look as good as a T-38, but still):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textron_AirLand_Scorpion

If they get some military sales (which isn't looking promising at the moment), they want to build a civilian version alongside.

 

I wonder if that is the same mig that was housed at Rockford 5-6 years ago[there were 2 migs there]

 

That's pretty cool, but clearly it will be bucket loads of money just because it looks like it should be.

I work in Grand Forks occasionally and there's a model of some v tailed single engine four seater hanging from the terminal ceiling...it looks like the right idea. Presumably built by a local company...I don't know.

 

I think Lanciar Evolution is about the closest you can get to the parameters you mentioned above. It's obviously not a jet, but can move down the road a little.



Mark
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Nice!