Latest Cirrus Crash

Pilot probably incapacitated in some way... .. Hard to believe that anyone who got a license would be that bad. Perhaps exhaust leak or something like that. Pilot toxicology report will likely tell a lot..

 

Witnesses reported a sputtering, spitting engine note. Could have engine failure or fuel ran out. This crash was about 12 miles from me.
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Looks like the BRS cover is off and the rocket is hanging out. Sounds like she was overwhelmed. 13G18 shouldn't be that big a deal, but 737s and 747s behind you may be.

 

according to local reports, she made two landing attempts. she was warned of possible turbulence from a large airliner that had taken off. that could be the reason for th go around. however, the crash sight had no fire or leaked fuel reportedly. the speculation is that she ran out of fuel. she was at low altitude and going slow. this may be the reason the parachute system didnt help or it discharged at impact. either way. sad day.

 

After every single crash, someone will report they heard the engine sputtering. One case I have, we know for a fact the pilot augered in under full power in a big bore Mooney, yet someone reported the engine sputtering and ceasing up. Another case I have, jet crashed after takeoff with the engine making 100% power; witness reported an engine failure. The ****ing engine ran at full blast after the crash for 30 minutes. Never fails.

Not saying it didn't happen, but take such reports with a grain of salt.



Mark

 

I hear ya. News report said several witnesses all heard the engine sounding unhealthy/unnatural. Guess we'll find out soon enough.

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Nothing less reliable than an uneducated eye witness.

 

Wrong runway???

Go around??

https://www.yahoo.com/news/three-dead-crash-plane-uses-125338939.html


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There is video of the impact on the internet. It was pretty clearly a stall/spin.

RIP... very sad.

 

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https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=188000

 

Yup flat spin after lining up with the wrong runway, circling to get lined up with the right runway then a balked landing then stalled, crashed.

I would like to know how much time the pilot had and how much time he had in the plane.

Monday morning quarter backing is not my thing but this does not look good for the PIC, not that it matters at this point.

 

Three Go arounds due to one wrong runway line up and twice for being too high. If you read the ATC tapes, you can hear how out of her element she was...and how frustrated the controller was.

She held a PPL as of 2014 so low time was a factor.

 

She had 5 hours of fuel for the 3 hour flight. Speculation currently is stalled due to low speed turn into downwind.

ATC recordings of n4252g:

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/khou/KHOU-Jun-09-2016-1730Z.mp3 starting at 24:45
http://archive-server.liveatc.net/khou/KHOU-Jun-09-2016-1800Z.mp3 audio continues

Controller seems to have done everything to help the lady... :-(

Video of crash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA5QJooy250

-mick

 

Such a tragic situation.

Sounds like she got "way behind" in controlling the airplane.
She should have focused on her pattern power settings and airspeed targets as she maneuvered to get lined up with the runway.

Also, is a Cirrus hard to get to descend on final?
A Cessna 182 drops like a rock if you forward slip it.
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FYI, fairly detailed writings and pictures on Kathryn's Report.
Posted June 9, N4252G Safe Aviation.
At the end of the report there is a fair amount of opinions and responses/comments (performance of ATC vs. pilot).
Might be interesting for some of the more experienced on FChat, to review and comment here on some of the various comments.

 

Oh no, not the dreaded downwind turn.

 

When flying in the clouds, i.e. no visual reference to the ground, neither the plane or pilot knows if they are turning upwind or down wind. So anything attributed to a downwind turn is not related to aerodynamics, rather it is pilot perception/error. Impossible to attribute after the fact when the pilot is deceased.

 

It was VFR and winds had been gusting up to 20 kts.

My previous "downwind" description was too abbreviated as a result of just listening to the ATC recording. Try "stalled during the turn into the downwind leg and entered a flat spin". Below is the tail of the ATC coms.

-mick

Pilot: “Runway 3-5 in sight. 42-52 Golf.”

Air Traffic Control: “5-2 Golf, winds zero niner zero at 13. Gusts at 1-8. Runway 3-5, again cleared to land.”

Pilot: “3-5, cleared to land. Trying to get down again (laughs). 42-45 Golf.”

Air Traffic Control: “No problem.”

1:08 p.m.

Air Traffic Control: “Cirrus 42-52 Golf just go ahead and make the left turn now to enter the downwind, midfield downwind for only four, if you can just give me a nice tight pattern, I’m going to have traffic four miles behind you so I need you to just kind of keep it in tight if you could. And actually I might end up sequencing behind that traffic it’s going four miles a minute, it is going to be a little bit tight with the one behind it, so when you get on that downwind, stay on the downwind and advise me when you have that 737 in site, will either do four or we might swing you around to 3-5. Uh ma’am, ma’am straighten up straighten up.”