Plane crash-lands at Dubai airport - BBC News Looks like a total loss from some of the pics on Twitter but all passengers and crew off safely.... M Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
From the video, looks like a gear-up landing. Very difficult to make that end well. Good job by the crew getting everyone off quickly and safely!
For all three not to come down is strange. I wonder if someone made a bad mistake? They say they aborted the landing but ended up landing anyway.
Weather reported wind shear at the time. Just speculation at this point- Hard landing / wind shear / long landing / decided to go around - gear up and then aircraft sank maybe additional wind shear or poor airmanship This time gear up landing and resulting fire and full stop.
AvHerald is reporting that the aircraft was attempting a go around and had retracted thr gear and then lost altitude and flopped down onto the runway.
Not uncommon the stall on a go-around attempt if the pilot retracts the flaps too quickly or beyond the T/O setting. Retract without sufficient airspeed, the wings immediately lose the amount of lift necessary to fly to the plane, and it sinks right back down to earth. Don't know if that is what happened, but it is a somewhat common mistake. Mark
Some reports are stating the "plane came down very hard on its tail". Sounds like a stall could be a strong possibility.
The engines take time to spool up, so if he was almost over the threshold in the very hot temps with possible wind shear in the area the aircraft won't climb for a few seconds. If he retracted his gear that might have been a bad move...We have to wait and see if there were other problems with the aircraft that caused the late abort.
If the report is accurate that he started a go-around and retracted the gear too soon and then settled on to the runway is what happened to a 707 in 1960. It looks like that's what happened here according to Av Herald. A landing hard enough to collapse all three wheels is called a crash.
Apparently it was 49 degrees C! And also, from what I understand, the 777-300 is not the best performer. So it could make (and did) a go-around pretty challenging.
First I have heard that ! I've read they have to be carful taxing because the aircraft is so long, but doesn't the -300 have the most powerful engines ever fitted to a passenger aircraft, (115,000lbs thrust each ??) sure the high temps will degrade that, but aircraft should be pretty light at this point. From AV Herald " Upon contacting tower tower reminded the crew of lowering the gear and cleared the aircraft to land" Pretty interesting statement ?
The times that I've operated AMC flights into bases the controllers always add 'confirm wheels down' as part of the landing clearance. DXB has lots of expat controllers in the tower, maybe he/she is ex-military and still does it out of habit? METAR I saw indicated wind shear with a 12 knot headwind switching to a 15 knot tailwind. That would, obviously, be a fairly impactful shear when you're low, slow, and have the power back.
I get the same wheels down check out of country or when going into a military base stateside. I dont know it the 777 is different from the other aircraft Ive flown but I was always taught: Go around- full power- pitch up- flaps TO/Go around- positive rate gear up etc.
Combine that with the shear and maybe not perfect piloting and boom. The 777 is having some bad luck all of a sudden these last few years... And almost none of it is related to the plane itself. It does show the true genius of the design when everyone can walk away from that.
That airplane was the last thing on which I worked before leaving my post there. A lot of good work went in to that airplane and it's one of the best things that Boeing did. 757 is a good one and the chubby little lady, 767, is showing how good it is, too.
Video from inside the cabin. Guess its important to grab your overhead luggage on the way out: [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUg7zOBB3Ig[/ame] Graphical ATC of the incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94VPOXc2bEM -mick
"Aircraft on fire, but I must video it and get my bags out of the over head.. not worried about the people stuck behind me" The human race continues to baffle me ......
Passenger onboard the flight says no emergency was announced before the aircraft made a hard landing as the pilot seemed to try and pull the plane back up....Sounds like pilot error so far..Maybe the controller saw them on short final and then made that statement "don't forget to lower your LG" Emirates plane catches fire at Dubai International Airport
Most likely, it was a combination of a fatigued crew, very poor aircraft performance (much worse than they would have seen during recurrent in the simulator), and gusty conditions. Sometimes all the holes just line up...
This is the first I've seen on this. Typical go around for Boeing during windshear is to not touch the gear.
They sure did...that really reinforces our theory that it was an unintentional gear up landing. ATC would likely never notice a meteorological event on short final, but they would likely eventually notice no gear, prompting the hurried go around call on short final. If this is the case, WTF! One dead firefighter is too many.
I've seen a photo from the front now and the front gear is down so what does that mean to the "gear up" theory?
