Collision

That was going to be my question: How does something like how they ended up so entwined happen???

 

got close during a fly in once, glad to able to execute a go around safely... never again... I drive to the event now... there are those that don't use radios, have a functioning radio, or even have a radio to be period correct, or follow procedures ( aka known as having their head where it don't shine.. )
a##hats don't look, enter runway anywhere with their 40knot s**t boxes that can't get out the way without a weeks notice... applies to any landing strip...

is especially bad if flying a plane that covers a lot of territory quickly... ag sprayers are also dangerous as they don't use radios and will land and take off in any direction anywhere on the airport

which collision was that... there was one in Carrolton, Georgia... went back and checked the news report aircraft reported as Diamond DA20 and Beachcraft Bonanza student pilot from China and instructor and a 79yo pilot of the Beach

 

It was on one of the national news shows last night and they played it like it was a horrible thing that the airport was uncontrolled. My wife was watching and she even remarked how the news show was playing this up as though having an uncontrolled airport was a travesty...

The big flashing graphic that OVER 20,000 AIRPORTS IN THE COUNTRY DON"T HAVE CONTROL TOWERS!!!!

Here's a link to the piece ...
Two Single-Engine Planes Collide in Midair in Georgia - ABC News

Now there will be a hue and cry to try to have a control tower at every cleared patch of ground that an airplane can land on...

Most likely someone followed the rules and someone did not. My sympathies for those involved, but just as you approach in intersection on the road, there are rules of the road that are necessary for ALL to observe so that we all are safe.

When someone does not follow those rules the results can be tragic, on the street and in the air. No difference, and as the old saying about it being dangerous goes "it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect"

 

Looking around helps, too. Some pilots get too fixated on what they are doing and forget they are flying using VFR rules.

 

Kathryn's Report: 09/07/16

You guys go to Kathryns report? It's the most comprehensive reporting I can find. I started to post about this as it is not that far from KAND and makes me think of my paranoia when flying with Julie. I am always watching the 430 when ten miles out to see when she calls in for our arrival. Ten, Five, Downwind, final. I remember a while back when someone was actually at the airport several miles over in Clemson, but they were on the Anderson frequency. That may have happened. I don't know how many of these I have read in which an instructor is killed with the student or crashes with the student. Tragic, tragic, tragic. As I get older, I hate seeing beautiful young people killed when it should never have occurred. Check out the video of the guy spinning in from stalling the Citabra. It's a few pages later. Then the beautiful young Chinese girl mangled by the spacial disorientation that brought about her diving in on the beach. Lessons to be learned, not to be repeated.

 

Bob- We had a private pilot that refused to not fly through the radar pattern at Cannon AFB because it was not restricted airspace. He was warned several times. He finally ended up collecting an F-111D and all three of them died. Visibility under the very long nose of an F-111 was not good with gear and flaps down and 10 degrees AoA. They never saw each other.

 

^^^ +1000

I think this is a bigger problem at airports with long runways. For some reason the longer the runway the longer the pattern. More instructors need to pull power on base at the numbers and teach their students to make a normal landing.

Never had much problem with this. However, at a local airport there are a bunch of RV guys who fly lots of formation, and follow the leader light acro. Problem occurs when they come back to land. They like to fly a mil overhead break. While this is a great way to recover aircraft quickly it really is a disruption when integrating into an already busy standard pattern.

 

AAHHHH so you guys have been to Santa Paula then...(KSZP) ... or as my instructors called it, "cowboy country, they got radios they just don't think they need to use them".

I rarely fly in there, because every time I do, I follow the correct pattern entry procedure, ie over the city, enter a crosswind in to a long down wind and report at all the places I'm supposed to, invariably someone in a home built cuts you off, then when you land, they act like you where taking to long and are not a real pilot if you have to use the radio and follow rules.....I usually remind them that given their age they will likely be dead long before me, I just hope they don't take someone else out or plough it into the city

 

That just just means they like to act like they know how to fly a military overhead pattern. If they did it correctly they would know any airplane on downwind has priority...even if it's a bomber pattern DW...and they need to follow that/those guy(s) after the break. Bottom line is eyes out all the time!

 

This was a small local airport to me and it seems it was a Bonanza and a Diamond Katana which the latter had a student and instructor on board. All 3 perished.

 

I had a cowboy almost kill me and a student pilot in 95. We were doing pattern work at a small uncontrolled airport and a guy in a long EZ popped up on freq and said he was number 1 for the runway. My student and I both look at each other as we were on a 3 mile final...our 4th touch and go of the day at said airport. I told him we were on a 3 mile final for the runway.

He said he couldnt see us and was continuing. Before I had the chance to break off, The Long Ez flew directly over head and missed us by less than 10 feet. Never thought I could get wake turbulence from a Long EZ. He landed without further radio communication. We did a go around and rejoined the pattern.

This is when it got weird. My student was preoccupied by what happened, I was pulling the seat cushion from my sphincter. He asked if we could make the next landing a full stop. 'Yes...we could use a moment to regroup'. We landed and he then asked to shut down as he didnt feel well. 'No problem', nobody wants puke in the schools plane'. We shut down by some T Hangars. He gets out and starts to walk away with saying a word.

I chalk the plane and follow suit to see if I just lost a student. My student had tracked where the guy had parked, asked to land and hunted him down. He had the LongEZ guy on the ground by his collar reading him the riot act. I ran up to the fiasco and just kinda froze. My student kept screaming to the other guy about being safe, following the AIM and stop trying to kill people. No punches just a good ol' fashioned dress down. The LongEZ guy knew he F'd up. He had to listen to the 6' 230lb tatted up kid berate him.

We left and his lesson was free. Good kid, but no way in heck would I ever want to cross him in a dark alley.

 

Damn, I never had any fun like this when I was a student. The most fun I ever had was when we sloooowly lost an engine during a dual cross country. The things just slowly lost RPMs as we head back to KVGT from Death Valley. Totally lost the engine on final, but we intentionally stayed high and hot knowing it wasn't running well. To my CFII's credit, he never even broke a sweat and let me handle completely. He never even touched the radios. We got on the ground and with the biggest smile he said, "see, now that's good training right there.



Mark

 

...Black Jack Squadron.

Yes, it does get busy there.

 

Why were you on a 3 mile final doing T&G's?

 

It really wasn't that uncommon when I was training at VGT. Extended downwinds to make room for other traffic was pretty well expected, especially if the Grand Canyon tour planes were coming.




Mark

 

KVGT is a controlled field. You pretty much do as told. Unless in a jet, a 3 mile final at an uncontrolled field is creating problems, IMO. On a hazy summer day in the midwest you could be on the edge of having the runway in sight, let alone be seen by other traffic in the pattern.

 

Is a 2-3 mile final really that wacky in VFR conditions? It probably was more tight as I think about it from 20ish years ago.