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  1. godabitibi

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    I took my car for a longer drive this weekend, about 300 miles. I love it! So easy to drive but one grey cloud, the transmission is very hard to shift. I thought my Mondial was picky but this one is much more.

    I just put new synthetic oïl when I did my diff. I know REDLINE have been discussed many times and I read their website about their oïl.

    Did anybody ever tried it and seen a difference? I don't want to spend $250 in oïl for no better results.

    BTW, can you believe that 12 cylinder use less gas than my 308. Really, I was amazed ;-)
     
  2. ago car nut

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    Check your shifter bushings and the shifter adjustment. Those two items made a big difference in my TR. I run the Redline in mine and like it. But the shifter bushings and adjustment made the biggest change in shifting ease. The shifter bushing in front of the gearbox was the worst. Also clean and re-lube the shifter under the gate.



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  3. godabitibi

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    I will check adjustment.
     
  4. Chief20123

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    I had this problem as well. I changed to Redline Oil and it made some difference, but not enough. I changed Clutch fluid, bled the Clutch and the shifting is a lot easier now.
     
  5. Spasso

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    Make sure the Redline oil you use is the 75/90NS.
    It must be "NS" or the transmission will shift hard.

    The regular Redline 75/90 will not work.
     
  6. Ak Jim

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    There is a difference between GL5 and GL4. GL4 is less slippery than GL5 and works better with the synchros. I had a lube rated as GL4/5 and then switched to a straight GL4 and it shifts noticeably better.
     
  7. Norm512TR

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    I can always remember the difference between the two as the NS must stand for "Nifty Shifting"
     
  8. MS250

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    Redline works the best for these cars.

    Second gear will always need a few Kms to warm up before it shifts, don't force it in.

    I drive mine in first gear for a bit before I go I to second, I don't go into 3rd from 1st, though many recommend it.

    Claude, is it stiff in every gear when you shift regardless of up the gears, or down the gears ?
     
  9. godabitibi

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    #9 godabitibi, Jun 24, 2014
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    Yes BIG RED it's hard in almost any gear at any time. I thought about the clutch and also adjustment of the shifter. Maybe the interlock pin in the shifter fork rods makes problem because of improper adjustment.

    I will try one thing at a time starting with the easiest.

    All suggestions welcome.
     
  10. godabitibi

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    #10 godabitibi, Jun 24, 2014
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    Are you sure the GL4 is proper for hypoid gears? The diff may suffer if not proper.

    Here is a good reading for GL4 and GL5 oïl.

    http://www.widman.biz/uploads/Transaxle_oil.pdf
     
  11. Rifledriver

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    Use GL5.


    The difference between the 2 is additives for the increased pressure in a high offset hypoid gear system. Lightly used a GL4 may be ok but the car really should have GL5 for proper ring and pinion protection.
     
  12. ago car nut

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    Does the Ferrari TR have a high offset hypoid R&P ? I believe not, because the pinion gear intersects in the middle of the ring gear. Packard developed the hypoid R&P in the 30s to get a lower floor and drive shaft tunnel. R&P that intersect in the middle generate less friction thus less heat.
     
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    Look at any transaxle diagram. It is quite clear that it does not intersect at the middle.
     
  14. ago car nut

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    Ok, stand corrected

    The parts diagram is the only drawing I looked at and it is deceiving.
     
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    If it's that stiff in every gear then it maybe something other than just the oil.
     
  16. godabitibi

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    I have the feeling the clutch is dragging. But when I installed it before installing the transfer gears I checked the clutch disengagement and it was easy to rotate by hand when depressed. I will try to bleed it again in case some air is prensent.
     
  17. godabitibi

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    I just readjusted the shifter. It was off center side to side. I hope it will make a little difference. Tomorrow I will bleed the clutch to make sure there is no air. If not better I will order REDLINE oïl.

    Do any of you know if the AGIP Rotra SX works good. This is what is recomended by the factory. The description in their website is similar to REDLINE.
     
  18. Rifledriver

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    If you use Agip get the LSX. Not sure of the difference but I am told by an excellent contact at Ferrari it is the stuff to use. The US distributor can't be bothered to sell it it seems.
     
  19. turbo-joe

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    the R&P is not in the middle, but also not completely at the end.
    the most heat is coming from the limited slip diff.
     
  20. Ak Jim

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    Sorry, you are correct! My car has a seperate transmission and differential. Defiantly GL5 for ring and pinion. I was surprised in the improvement in the transmission with the GL4. I guess I should stay in my own section of these forums! :)
     
  21. godabitibi

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    I went for a test drive after adjusting the shifter and bleeding the clutch. Night and day from before. Way much easier, almost smooth ;-). I will give it a try like this for a little while.
     
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    The joys of success :D
     
  23. Melvok

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    So: problem solved ?? :)
     
  24. godabitibi

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    No, after driving it for a week I still have the problem. I will now replace oïl with REDLINE and report the result.
     
  25. Melvok

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    Hi Claude, can you tell us more by now ? :)
     

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