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Discussion in 'Boxers/TR/M' started by turbo-joe, Oct 26, 2014.

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  1. turbo-joe

    turbo-joe F1 Veteran

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    I just posted in the 308 section the follwoing, but same problem could be at the TR:



    when I now write this for the TR:

    it is the intermediate gear no. 1125263
    the radial bearings 104840
    the axial bearings 104841

    on my koenig competition I have shims to adjust the distance for the 2 radial bearings. but in the parts catalog there are no shims.

    I think with a bias of 0,6 mm the cover may break?
     
  2. turbo-joe

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    who ever meassured this size?
    or did you all put always everything together how it was before without thinking what may be important?
     
  3. Rifledriver

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    I just cannot imagine an interference fit. The one time I measured there was a good sized clearance. No reason at all to be zero or less.
     
  4. turbo-joe

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    clearance I would accept, but not preload so much

    more meassurments?
     
  5. Rifledriver

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    I just put one back together or I would measure it for you.

    I have seen the races slip part way out when cleaned in a hot water washer. Could that have happened? Make sure both races are bottomed out in the hole anyway.
     
  6. turbo-joe

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    what do you understand under "races" brian?

    the outer part of the axial bearing?even when I take this out and meassure then all the wholes without any bearing and count all together I still hvae those 0,6 mm preload

    I have not cleaned with hot water. but because of this possibility of moving a little out I took out both bearings and meassured
     
  7. ago car nut

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    Could possibly be replacement bearings are wrong?



    Ago
     
  8. Rifledriver

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    I was talking about the width of the bearings that are pressed into the housings. It has to be either those, the gear itself or the thrust roller bearings.
     
  9. turbo-joe

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    the bearings have been not replaced



    I meassured today:

    bearings out of the housings
    distance from sealing surface at the clutch housing to the bottom where the bearing will connect: 55,8 mm
    distance from the sealing surface at the cover to the bottom where the bearing will connect: 20,9 mm

    each axial bearing: 22 mm
    each radial bearing: 3mm
    gear itself: 26 mm
    so the distance where the gear with the bearings go is 76,7 mm
    the gear itself plus the bearings is all together 76 mm

    so all has then 0,7 mm play
    this I can accept

    but on the 308 I´m working just now it is 0,6 mm preload

    I will meassure tomorrow the 308 and will post then in that section.

    important for me just now is that this gear has no preload ! ! !

    can someone perhaps meassure also the 2 sizes for the TR if just dismanteled? thanks to all
     
  10. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Has anything been changed or was it that way when you took it apart?
     
  11. turbo-joe

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    I have not changed anything. it was so as I took it apart. and that was so since about 10 years.

    as I have written already I wondered at the time I took it apart that oil was draining before I loosened all nuts. and after I loosened all the complete cover has been a little away from the clutch housing. so about 0,5 mm. but this was on the 308, not on the TR. but those "main gearboxes" are identical except the sizes.

    but I see on 2 "main gearboxes" I have here that the TR has play between 0,3 and 0,7 mm. and this seems to me ok
     

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