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Factory Upgrade 512TR/M clutch housing build

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  1. dontilgon

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    #1 dontilgon, Jul 25, 2015
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    I managed to source an upgrade TR/M New Clutch Housing along with all the components for a new build. I wanted to document the build to inform of this upgrades and also for some guidance. This was a bit of a tedious process without service bulletins because all the changes would have been listed. (If anyone has bulletins I think that would be great to add to this thread.) So far learned that the only parts that were updated are:

    Clutch Controls:

    ClutchHousing153701 Clutch Shaft 151945
    Clutch Shaft Bushing Flange 154511
    Plate 151693
    Dowel Pin 13904970
    Oil connection Pipe 153759
    Union 153708
    Union 153905
    Gasket / Copper washer 153722 x2
    **Every single component aside for the above is the exact same for early TR and M.

    Gearbox Transmission / Transfer Gears:
    Drive Gear 151940 (27 Teeth)
    Small Cover 102808
    O-Ring Gasket 152541

    Gearbox Mounting Covers:
    Intermediate Cover 153704
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    for this I always use red loctite, but I think blue will do it also

    check the axial play for the center gear. may be you have to use shims for right adjustment?
     
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    Thanks, was thinking red for the ringnut and blue for the flange threads. I have seen 3 of these apart and never seen shims from the factory. Also can't find any info in the workshop manual on installation of this.
     
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    Thanx Jo, as said before .... we are never too old to learn, thanx for this thread !!

    But explain to me please ... WHY do you make this bellhousing for your car ?
     
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    right, original there are no shuims inside, but I once measured the axial play and it was 3/10 mm, so I put 1 shim with 0,2 mm ( you have to take the bearing out of the housing ) that the play was only 0,1 mm
     
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    I have no intentions of installing it in my 92. I have a bit of an obsession with the enchantments Ferrari made in their three year run with the car. I have been collecting all upgrades from 92 through 94. Even small upgrades like the fusebox bracket to headlight motor covers. So I guess it’s more of a collecting itch.
     
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    What is minimum play that is allowed? I'll check and report back.
     
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    I would say between 0,05 and 0.15 mm. the WSM says nothing :(
     
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    I presume they have to be cut. What is the purpose for the holes on top in the first place?
     
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    So basically the threaded rods you see on the flange are simply tightened, cut and then shaved down flat. Simple enough. Does anyone know why they made these holes on the flange if they have to be plugged? I understand why they have to be plugged but why did they make the holes on the flange to begin with?
    I will continue with the build this week
     
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    Any progress Joe ?
     
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    Thanx for update !

    What is this Jo ? Is this an oil line between Oil connection Pipe 153759 and .... ?

    Wy was that an 1994 update ? What went wrong :)
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    where do you have this pictrue from?

    this is a return line for the oil from the primary gearbox ( so from the clutch down to the gearbox ) . have not seen this before but will make only sense when you have the oilpresuure line connected to the primary gearbox cover somewhere at the top. this I have on my competition, but the return line in my eyes makes no real sense, because the oil can passes through the original holes inside the gearbox.
    if there would be no fresh oil coming to the primary gearbox this return line makes absolutely no sense because all of the oil will drain down.
     
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    355 f1's use those holes and they're blocked off in a similar manner in non f1 cars, so could be ferrari had planned to put the f1 system in the m but it never happened. I know they put an f1 system in one of the sultan of Brunei's 512m based cars (FX)...
     
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    this looks like the buttom plug?
    there sometimes oil is draining between the housing and the cover, sometimes the plug is tightened too much so the thread has malfunction or even the cover at the thread is broken
    unplug, clean and put the plug with a copper seal and rtv/silicone in again and wait 1 day before filling in oil
     
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    Thanks Romano! :)
     
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    I agree with you Romano; it is on a 94 512TR ... made the photo myself because it looked so stupid ... (#2 was near by, not really relevant)

    Maybe we can find out if there are more 1994 512TR cars with this modification ??
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    may be inside there is a riser? so like newer gearboxes have it. that would make sense, because then the oil level is always the same. but when there is no riser ( hope this is the right name?? ) then it makes no sense
     
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    Hello Joseph,

    I am posting the link below for all to see as there seems to be some critical problems with certain new 154511 Flanges that are in circulation in the parts world. (I should mention very early on that these are not Hill Engineering parts!)

    154511 Flange Issues

    As our CRB456/550 Clutch bearings run on these flanges we thought it very important to make sure that people are aware of the problems that are out there.

    If you need to ask me any questions please feel free to ask.

    Regards

    Paul Hill
     

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