512 BBi Engine Lid Foam

Why not send a pm to Newman, he should know. Have you changed back to stock exhaust? Frank had some aftermarket items in his car.

 

I am a buyer for the foam, never seen a source of it.

 

I have found most people here are willing share information and I put Paul at or near the top. I'm not talking about badgering him with hundreds of questions, and he is very generous with his time, but I believe he enjoys sharing.

Ask an expert for a spec sheet for concours correct Boxer. See if it is listed. I like the search also, but I'm not a concours person so I'm not as concerned with originality.

I'm more concerned with functionality. I love looking at concours cars, just can't live with them. Had a national show winning 65 XKE, changed lots to make it a great driving car.

Hope you find it and get a high score at Cavallino. Good luck.

 

Dave Bendl here on F-chat had some made a number of years ago. He doesn't post here anymore. I need some as well.

 

You're correct! I like to share and help where I can. Just because a car doesn't come to my shop doesn't mean I wont help! Im always open to answering questions anytime.

 

Dave made his own. 99.99 Boxers don't have as it disintegrated early on. I've only seen it on one or two delivery mileage cars.

Geno

 

I did make a prototype reproduction foam set for my Boxer since OEM sets have been N/A for years. They are very close to the originals in appearance but not exact yet. I do have a chunk of the original material stored as reference when I get back to this project. I have had to switch focus to my own health over the past couple of years, but that is moving in the right direction.
Dave

 

I guess we're all in the same boat.
My question is: Is that a needed pad? Will it heat up or melt the clam shell covers without it?

 

You don't need it...

 

The clamshell covers are thin aluminum. They won't melt, but the top surfaces will distort with engine heat without the foam inserts.

 

Ive never seen that happen and the carb cars have no foam, same heat radiating up from the engine. What you say has some validity but since most have no foam by now you would think there would be an epidemic of distorted ice cube trays but we dont. I need it for correctness.

 

No big deal Paul what they were intended for. I was just giving ag512bbi my opinion after he asked the question what their intention is for. The protection from heat is just my opinion why the Engineers went through the time and expense to design and add them. Would sound absorption be a better reason?

 

Yes, my main concern is distortion on the covers. I would like to drive my car and was hesitant that the heat would effect it.
Thank you.

 

Drive it, they wont distort.

 

Any one have photos of what the foam inserts looked like when new?

 

It's normal open cell foam, as used elsewhere thru out the car, for various reasons, only this DOES have a circle dimpling pattern to it.

Like Roppe flooring.

My guess they melted it on, with a hot tool of some sort...
You have a picture of it. Paul???

 

On the TR it is strictly noise reduction.

 

There is no concours spec sheet.
Ferrari didn't build high numbers of cookie cutter cars so it really isn't possible.

 

I am not a BBi judge but I am unaware if any BBi's came without the foam. If that is the case (they all had it) then yes you will need it or be marked down for not having it.

On the TR they did not all come with it, even on the cars that Ferrari said did come with it. If you can get a nationally recognized expert in the concours arena to support they did not all come with it you might get away without. If you are not sure, just take the hit in points, it won't be serious. Trying to get away with something the judges know is usually counterproductive.

 

I found a hood foam pad at Pelican parts that was used on an old 1984 Porche 944, I never used it and cut it to size and renewed some of my Mondial insulation with it (Swiss market model had lots of insulation on it). I like it because it was the German OEM foam which was designed to melt and help smother an engine fire. It was a bit of a browny grey black colour, similar in colour to my Mondial Swiss market insulation (which was not dimpled). I think it still available at Pelican parts. In any event, perhaps Pelican can determine who the supplier of this is, it may well be a German firm who was the OE supplier to Ferrari in the 80's and have other types and patterns and such. There are two types for the 944, maybe there are others on the 911 in there too, I have not searched. Somehow, I think your answer to the foam question will be German.
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Here's a photo of my BBi's (#51969) original foam which is still intact. The car just turned 16,000 miles and earned Platinum at Cavallino Classic a couple of years ago.
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Just an interesting note. Look at the bolts that hold the safety lock in place in the clamshell. They point in to the latch. BB and BBi are the same but ferrari installed the latch in the two L brackets before welding it into the structure of the clamshell. On a BB the louvers are farther away from the center so not an issue. BBi not so. Try taking one out! The bolts are too long to fit out before hitting the parallel tubes just beside them! You have to cut the bolts in half then install new ones pointing outward.

 

The 81/82 foam looks very similar. The surface is like a golf ball. I have a piece that I will post photos of as soon as I can.