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  1. Bradwilliams

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    So the car was driven consistently until the end of last summer. Got her back and was running great until a week ago. Typical coolant nonsense

    I've been trying the bleeding procedure on Shamille's thread and the issue is that when you fire the car up, it is not pulling the coolant through on startup. Sounds like it could be a stuck thermostat. fans won't come on at 200 at all. Should I just pull all the coolant out and start over again? I had the typical coolant coming out of the hose first, so I added and bled. Now it just seems like there isn't any pressure in there. Cheers

    -Kurt
     
  2. Steve Magnusson

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    Have you tried just touching each radiator to see if they are about equally hot when the temperature gauge in the dash reads 200 deg F? Since the thermoswitch for the cooling fans is in the LH radiator a stuck thrermostat on that side could give you a symptom of:

    LH radiator cool
    RH radiator hot
    dash temp gauge reads hot
    cooling fans never come on

    However, if both radiators are equally hot to the touch, but the cooling fans don't come on when the dash gauge reads 200 deg F = something electrical wrong.

    So "radiators equally hot" or radiators not equally hot" should help you decide what to do next.
     
  3. Bradwilliams

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    #3 Bradwilliams, Jul 2, 2016
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    Thanks Steve,

    They're equally hot. I'll ceck the fusebox for the fan fuse if there is one.

    There are two sets of radiator fan fuses. Two big blocks, which I know can't be bad (dave helms upgrade) and two regular fuses (left and raight h20 vent radiator fans. There are no fuses in the two slots. Hmmm
     
  4. Philwozza

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    Check the white connectors as we'll for signs of burning / bad connection.

    The only radiator bleeding I have ever done is to loosen the brass plug on top of the thermostat housing. You may need to do this two or three times but usually most or all the air is expelled on the first attempt. The Thermostats have a small hole in them to make sure that air cannot be trapped.

    HTH


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  5. Steve Magnusson

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    #5 Steve Magnusson, Jul 2, 2016
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    Yes, the SRI TR fusepanel modification relocates the fuses, relays, and main power connections for the water fans elsewhere (so the typical trouble place that Phil mentioned should already be out of the picture).

    Connect the two wires of the water themoswitch in the bottom tank of the LH radiator together with the key "on" = water fans should run.

    If the water fans run under these test conditions, but don't when the LH radiator is truly hot = water thermoswitch probably bad.

    If the water fans don't run with the water thermoswitch wires connected together and key "on" = electrical problem somewhere else.

    Not sure how the SRI mod affects the wiring going from the coolant thermoswitch to the fuse-relay panel, but this thread has some more information for how to do this test without having to get under the car if you still have a ZN (purple-black) wire at one end of the j horizontal white connector (post #2):

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/boxers-tr-m/524898-cool-now-but-getting-hot-stevem-please.html
     
  6. Bradwilliams

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    How do I get access to these wires connecting to the thermoswitch? Do I need to pull the rear wheel well to get to them?
     
  7. Steve Magnusson

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    Not sure (but that's why I prefer doing it at the j connector ;)).
     
  8. Bradwilliams

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    okay, where on the fusebox is that?
     
  9. Newman

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    Better off to unplug the fan switch on the left rad bottom and join the wires together. That'll test the entire circuit in an instant. No need to remove the splash shield.
     
  10. turbo-joe

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    to put the 2 wires at the thermoswitch together it needs not much work. if you have a lift you just see how easy it is, otherwise you may go under the car, but no need to remove anything than the 2 wires
     
  11. Bradwilliams

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    #11 Bradwilliams, Jul 3, 2016
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    Thanks guys. Just hit the wires and as expected it fires on so it doesn't seem to be electrical. More than likely looking at a bad thermoswitch. There is just the one on the left side that seems to be a bolt. What socket size do you guys use to get it off? Cheers,

    -Kurt
     
  12. qwazipsycho

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    I just replaced mine last week. Take it to the local parts store and tell them its from a Volkswagon Scirocco. That'll save you $50 - $250 depending on which F pimp you call.
     
  13. turbo-joe

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    size is 28 mm, an not so common size, but available, you need a long nut because of the connectors
    but before you remove check if the radiator is getting warm, not that the thermostat is not working right
     
  14. Bradwilliams

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    Yes they are both getting warm.
     
  15. Bradwilliams

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    Got the four seasons equivalent thermoswitch and the 28mm socket. However the socket is too small. These thermoswitches are at least 29-30mm
     
  16. Bradwilliams

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    Installed the new switch and the fans are operational again. But they don't want to play ball until the car is about half-way in between the 2nd and third temp lines (considerably over 200). And when they engage they don't stay on that long. Before, the fans would stay on long enough to push the needle way to the left into the 170 range. Hmmm
     
  17. turbo-joe

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    then you need a switch with lower temperature to switch off
    my replaced switch has 28 mm from VW
     
  18. Bradwilliams

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    I had no idea that the switches had different temp settings? What is the part number on your vw T-joe?
     
  19. turbo-joe

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    there are sooooo many switches on the market with the same thread but with different temperatures
    just now I´m in thailand and will be back end of july. then I will have a look and let you know. ( so if I would forget please remember me )
    but I modified the complete system and put in on the right radiator also a switch only for the rigth fan then. as I remember the switch-on-temperature is between 85°C and 87°C and the switch-off is between 76°C and 78°C. but also I have other radiators inside ( 1 row more water pipes ) and those cool much more down than the original.
    but I prefer a switch-off-temperature from under 78°C
     
  20. Bradwilliams

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    Alrighty, got one from Rutlands today, popped it in and we're back to normal. Thanks for the info everyone and for the cooling temp explanation TurboJoe. It's firing on just after the 195 mark now like it should.

    These things seem pretty finnicky. The thermoswitch in this car was acting somewhat finnicky the last summer I had it. Car never got too hot, but I did notice that every now and then it wouldn't come on. Then it completely gave right after I got the car back. Probably just the car griping about being stagnant for almost a year.

    Cheers
     
  21. qwazipsycho

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    Yeah that 4 seasons switch runs it a little warmer but it works fine. You just have to get used to that guage running a little higher. I found that the car runs very well, never over heats, but that needle rides just over the center line.
     
  22. Mr.Chairman

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    Better she runs a bit cooler vs hot. Switch it out

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