McLaren discontinues 12C, offers owners free upgrade

Interesting since they were on record via a YouTube record saying they'd produce the two side by side...

Any idea how much more $$$ a 650S is vs. a MP4-12C?

 

Does this mean I will be able to pick up a 12c spider for around $150k by the end of the year?

 

Pretty misleading thread title. The title should be, "McLaren discontinues 12C, introduces 650S to replace it. Offers 12C owners more upgrades and discounts on 650S retro-fit options."

Says the have 6 months worth of orders already...

 

Same, more or less. The 650S has a higher MSRP, but comes with standard with things like CCB, alcantara, etc.

Unless you liked the look of the 12C, there was no reason you'd buy it. Consider the 650S a facelift.

 

6 months of orders is not impressive by Ferrari standards.

Looks to me like they are trying to keep more 12Cs off the market and further weakening resle prices.

A 3 year run on the 12C is not a sign of success...just the opposite. The car just wasn't selling so they had to come out with the 650s.

Seems to me the outlook for Mac's long term survival is even more in doubt IMVHO. Caveate emptor!

 

Doesn't have to be the same as Ferrari. No exotic company has that kind of order book. Lamborghini has 900 orders at Geneva. 6 months of orders at McLaren is about 600 based on how many 12cs were sold over 3 years.

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Ferrari has never made a car like the 650s

enjoy your 458, just leave the left lane open

 

What's this thread doing here?

 

Great car, but a sales flop. Just like every other McLaren. This news has pissed off a lot of 12C owners.

 

I thought they´d said that they were going to sell both at the same time. Didn´t make much sense anyway, although I like the looks of the old one better.

 

Thinking the same given how it's faster than the 458.

 

Based on the reviews it's even quicker than the eSpeciale...I think both are a miss in the looks dept. The 458 is rice while the Mac is just, err, odd.

 

Faster almost shouldn't matter since hitting top speed on public roads would be an insane thing to do.

I wonder if you can put the 650s face on the 12c? I always hated the look of the 12c abd its back. The P1 got styling perfect. I havent loved a Mclaren since the SLR

 

Great thread

 

This is SUCH BS by McLaren.

For months they have been saying the 650s is not a replacement but more like the 458 Speciale or Scud or CS -- a special edition on top of their regular car production.

The reason they did that? Because they have boatloads of 12c's sitting on dealer lots and a lot of people in the last year who just bought spiders and don't want to find out that after a few months their cars are now obsolete.

"Sorry your car is now out of production. We have something better. Good luck and please order a 650s when you have a chance."

Even the way this announcement is written is condescending. "We value you so much we're going to upgrade your car for free! Oh, and by the way -- we're replacing it with a new model."

McLaren FLAT OUT LIED to people who bought the 12c. They said they would not change models so quickly and even within the last year, they lied about their intents of the 12c to keep people buying and try to hold up values (which will take yet again another hit).

Its amazing to me McLaren owners stick with them.

If you just picked up a 12 c spider a few months ago and were told it was just replaced with a new model, you're going to be PO'd -- or at least you should be.

The 650s was not a "Scud" 12c -- it was a replacement model and McLaren knew that all along.


But hey, the McLaren glee club can rejoice. They're going to fix the Android system that didn't work the first 2 years of production and make the people with "button" doors happier. Yeah! .

 

How is it a sales flop? this isn't a 911 where selling 30k cars a year is normal It's their first volume car that has competed well...These cars do cost 300k each and no one in the world actually needs a 300k sports car.

 

It's a flop because they didn't even get close to their production numbers they needed. They kept pushing cars on dealers and dealers had no choice but discount them.

As they discounted, people sold their cars to avoid losing more and more resale value. It set up a spiral. It didn't help that the Philly dealer always seemed to be about 10-20 grand cheaper than any car advertised.

There's a 12c now with 250 miles on it that's like 80 grand off MSRP as an asking price. My understanding is that now you can walk onto a dealer lot and just take 60 grand off any 12c you want.

That's a flop.

It may be one fantastic car but it did not even come close to reaching it's goals. And, it seems to have had little or no impact on its main rival, the 458.

It did perhaps open the market up to a wider audience and that's a good thing.

 

Lol. I agree. I just dropped off my 458 for the annual this morning (also a McLaren dealer).
Was speaking to the tech there telling him how I'm glad I sold my MP4 before the 12C tanks even more since the 650S coming out.

He confirmed the 650S is a replacement to the 12C, but says he believes the used market will begin to rise a bit on 12C because of this.

I personally see it dropping even more because of it.

*On a good note, saw my first P1 in person there. Tech told me the guy ordered 2 of them. Along with a La Ferrari, AND.... a 918 from a local Porsche dealer as well!!

Now that is crazy!

 

A McLaren thread without Peloton25 in it? Is he okay?

 

The Mayor summed it up nicely.

 

He's currently analysing each and every word of the 650S press release and preparing an excuse. Basically a normal Friday for him.

 

McLaren's committed pursuit of automotive excellence doesn't extend to using a spell checker when sending out an email to all owners from the "Cheif Executive Officer". As Vizzini would say . . .Inconceivable!

 

Damn. THAT hurts to see.