Mclaren from a f430?

I think there are a number of folks on this chat that have done the very same...be patient as they will weigh in.

 

I have both. The Mc is far superior. The 430 has more grunt, but it can't keep up. The Mc has a better ride, handling and performance.
You MUST drive one to understand.

Good luck,
Joe

 

I have had a number of Ferraris and have had my 12C about 8 months now. I am converted. I absolutely love this car. Power, handling, ride, fit and finish, etc, etc is amazing. They have been pretty reliable which to me was a big selling point. Even the newer Fcars have some little issues.

 

I have a 2008 Scud and 2012 12C; the latter is much better in every objective category. The Scud is a raucous, crazy beast that is very special, but it's no bueno for anything other than short drives and occasionally on track. The 12C is faster in every way, more comfortable, mine has been reliable except for nits, and the main reason I have the Scud is to horse around and because it does not appear to be getting less valuable. The 12C price has fallen to where it is a crazy value. In fact, I think the 12C is better than the 458 and the equal of the Speciale.

 

My Mclaren was the 12C and the Ferrari was the 458.

When I had my Mclaren there were only three dealers in the entire USA. SO I would check that out. Many private repair shops can most likely fix it.

The 12C has switches so you can go from mild to wild. Handling, throttle response and exhaust sound if I remember correctly.

I had a little trouble with my 12c. Typical English car but in my mind worth it.

For driving experience the F430 is a drivers sports car the 12C is a gentleman's touring car that is a pretty good sports car but also comfortable and fast.

If it was my fun car I would prefer the 12C. If you must depend on it to go to work I would get an Audi R8 over either. I traded in my 12C and bought a Lamborghini Adventador, 12 Cylinder 700 hp. Believe it or not they perform about the same. I was very surprised.

Good luck what ever you buy.

Lee

 

I know one Fchatter that did. But he also bought a 458 after the 12c (kept the 12c and the 458).

The 12c is much faster but IMO doesn't have the same emotional feel. Both are fine cars though and the 12c is an amazing bargain.

Just make sure you're not too far from a dealer for service.

 

How much is a 12c these days?

 

I think they are still at least 150K. The steep initial depreciation is over.

 

I can comment on a 12C vs CS.
I had my CS for about seven years. I enjoyed it for nice country drives and the occasional track day. Toward the last few years I became reluctant to take it on the track as they were becoming prized as rare and valueable cars, and I felt I would be a real ****** if I wadded it up on the track. I enjoyed the CS for it's rawness and singular purpose, but I always felt a little self concious driving a modern Ferrari on the street. You know, the stigma of being "That guy". Ultimately, I kind of realized I wasn't really satisfied either way I used it, track or street. While the CS was gaining in value, lightly used 12C's were plumeting. I always admired the 12C so I figured I would give one a shot. Well, I like it so much it's almost become my daily driver. I hop in it for almost anything. It's performance is not even in the same zipcode as the CS, or pretty much anything else I have driven. The technology and performance in the 12C are astounding. It rips on the track, easily passing race cars on slicks. People seem to just love seeing the 12C on the street. Rather than feeling self concious and pompous, you get tons of thumbs ups and phone pics everywhere you go. Pulling in for fuel becomes an event.

One area where the CS excelled and the 12C left a little to be desired was the sound. The sound of a CS at speed is to die for. Probably the best sounding car ever, period. The 12C, even with it's sport exhaust was rather muted. The addition of an AWE full exhaust system with 200 cell race cats cured that. I think it now sounds just right, and better sounding than a 458 IMO. It also picked up 44hp and lost a few pounds in the bargain.

For me, modern Ferarri V8 (430, 458, CS, Scud, Speciale) vs a Mclaren?
I find the Mclarens better in just about every way, performance, technology, ownership experience. I made my choice, and am very happy with it.

I think a lightly used CPO'ed 12C with a factory warranty for about $160k is an incredible bargain right now.

 

I don't know about that, from my own personal experience, my Volcanic Yellow 12C Spider draws significantly more attention and admirers, far more than my classic red/tan 360 and red/tan 430 spider ever did. Partly due to the rarity and likely due to the X-Box & PS-3/4 generation I literally had a mom and her two boys follow me home just to see the car and ask me a few questions.

MB

 

My business partner was interested in the 12c. For his birthday I decided to get him a few laps in one to see if he really liked it. Prior to the event I was emailed the following:

I was shocked. We switched to the Huracan and when we went to the event we inquired about the 12c's. They said they were constantly breaking down at the track events and had too many pissed off clients to keep them on the road.

My partner ended up getting a 650s and didn't look back. Fantastic car. Based on the above, I'd stay clear of the 12c, especially if it's out of warranty.

Erik

 

I feel the opposite, Mac is a better car.

 

agree

 

+1.

 

No idea about reliability on a track, but I know a 12C is like 5s quicker than an F430 on a 1 min lap LOL

 

I wouldn't buy either if you want a track car to be honest.

 

You are fortunate, keep the 430 and be happy! I dont think youll find an indy shop that can work on the Mac so it will go to a dealer.

All of these cars are expensive to service when something breaks or wears out and that happens to all of them. Even if they just sit (sometimes more so).

I knew I would have to "pay the price" when I bought my F-cars and Mac. So far Ive been right

 

I've had my 12c for three years. No issues and I drive it several times a week.