1967 Jaguar E Type leaving

Beautiful

 

Wow....who did the restoration work?

 

There is a link describing the car in detail in his "For Sale / Going to Auction" thread.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/other-cars/540090-jaguar-e-type-1967-ots.html

I love this car.

 

Funny..
When you dont have an E type....You gotta have one..
Then when you have one...you gotta have something else..

in a few months...then you say...why did I sell my E type??


Been there too many times!
GLWS!

 

Beautiful car. Best of luck!

 

Now that is a car!

My XKR is a similar color (they call it Zircon Blue in 2003)

Best,
dsd

 

I am sure I will have another soon.
Only one will do this time though
BRG with saddle int... 67' for sure!

 

Any reason the 67s are so preferable?

 

67 are the last covered healight car. all synchro 4 speed. no difference to a 65 or 66.
collectors prefer the 3.8's. the earlier the better.

 

Hardtop Roadster is the best look ever on an XKE. As for bullet proof engine, I had an XKE V12 that I overheated many times, to the point of missing......and it kept on ticking, up to the day I sold it.

 

All mentioned above are deemed "series one" which have the covered headlights. Yes, some collectors prefer the 3.8's & the flat floors. Although 65 brought us the 4.2 engine and the all synchro-mesh trans, as well as a change in seats if I remember correctly between the two I previously owned.

 

Well, yes and no. That car and most cars made in 1967 were already "open headlamp' Series 1 cars. The JCNA nowadays calls them "Series 1.25" cars.

That is probably why that car has body coloured "sugar scoops"' the headlamp buckets under the glass. On very few of the earliest cars in 1961 those were body colour, then all Series 1 3.8's and 4.2's had those scoops painted silver until the glass covers were omitted.

It is really easy to retrofit the headlamp glass covers on the Series 1.5 cars, so most owners do that during restoration. Most also add a leather shifter gaiter to 1965-1966 cars that did not have one from the factory. In Europe Series 1.5 was not a big change, but for US models from mid 1967 power was down due to the change to dual-Z-S carbs instead of triple-SU's, retarded ingition and A/C (only LHD cars) to keep the emissions low and prevent overheating, bigger cross flow radiator, bigger brakes and the revised dash with "safer" switches (that unfortunately are inferior).

Cheers,

Pekka T.
Fin.

Ps. There are some other minor changes between 1964/65/66/67 4.2's, but I don't want to bore those of you who are not as crazy about E-types as I am.

 

I also prefer the Series 1 4.2 E-Types of 65,66 & 67. I think they are the pinnacle of the E-Type offering the combination of the best looks, performance, and driveability. They retain the cool pure look of the 3.8 cars and benefit from the greater torque of the 4.2 liter engine over the 3.8, and the synchronized Jaguar gearbox over the non-synchro 1st in the Moss box of the 3.8's. Concessions to US Emission and safety standards beginning Jan 1968 killed the covered headlights, triple carbs, 20 hp, and the toggle switch dash creating the series 1.5. I beg to differ with Fennicus, the "series 1.25" cars with all the series 1 features except covered headlights are commonly believed to be quite rare, although exact production numbers are not known.

 

from a purely aesthetics stand point, the 3.8's are the prettiest and purist of design. love the buckets seat, aluminium dash and console, the more interesting intake manifold with brass nut topped su carbs
the 3.8 revs better too. compare the 4.2 vs 3.8 tachs.
4.2 redline starts at 5000 rpm.
3.8 redline starts at 5500 rpm.

 

Hi,

You can, of course, if you like. But the numbers are in the books. Spare Parts catalogue, I think J.37 has most of the changes listed by chassis number. In certain markets ther were changes already earlier, I think Germany banned the winged spinners (after the German MOT/TÜV guys had seen Goldfinger? already in late 1965, also a Hazard warning light system was incorporated starting from 1965 in US exports. 1965-1967 German (and Austrian and Swiss) sold cars had "earless" spinners before the three lobe spinner came to all cars.

IIRC the open headlamp cars came as early as March or April 1967 into production. Of course many of those cars may have been titled as MY1968 in the US. My ex Series 1 4.2L 2+2 made on. July 14th 1966 and registered in Maryland in September 1966 was titled as a 1967. On the 2+2's one sign of being manufactured in 1966 are the separate door locks. Many cars that had left the factory with closed headlamps were also converted to open headlamps in the US, either for DMV reasons or simply to "facelift" them, after all, who wants to be driving last year's model!

But yes, an early 1967 is the sweet spot for someone who wants closed headlamps, 4.2L all-synchro gearbox and a leather gaiter on the gear shifter stick.

Cheers,

Pekka T.
Fin.

Ps. I can get the numbers for you if you want, but so far, all open headlamp Series 1 cars, and also a large number of S 1.5 cars have been restored to closed headlamps. That's why the open headlamp S1 cars are so rare.

 

Hi,

Not completely true. They changed the redline, but there is no difference in driving a 3.8L on the highway at 5.500rpm or a 4.2L at 5.500 rpm, even the 3.8 driver's handbook suggests that when driving at that kind of speeds, the accelerator should be released occassionally for a short while. Nowadays there are not many places that allow you to do 20-30 mins of that kind of speeds. I did 220-225km/h a few times in Germany in my ex S1 4.2 and it was ok. A bit noisy and the rear end fealt a bit light, but otherwise it was almost like flying.

But it is true the 3.8 revs lighter when not in gear, as the flywheel is much lighter. But that combined with the early heavy spring clutch was considered "hard" by some customers and thus the 4.2 was equipped with a heavier flywheel and a lighter clutch mechanism as well as a more contant pressure brake servo. Some folks also hate the 3.8 gearbox straight cut 1st gear whining in true "vintage car" fashion. (Not me, I have a Moss box in my MKV DHC)

I know many who are big fans of the alu finish on the early 3.8 interior and the bucket seats, but I could never sit comfortably in those seats. The 4.2 seats and later afjustable seats then again fit me well. 10-11 hours of driving in one day and sometimes over 1000kms and no trouble. especially in the LWB cars (2+2's and all V12's).

Cheers,

Pekka T.
Fin.

Ps. The V12 redline starts from 6.500rpm.

 

I had/have both. 3.8's dash and seats prettier. The 4.2 is far more comfortable.

 

Hi,

Yes. 3.8 looks nicer on the inside, but is less comfortable for most drivers.

As I know that people often believe what they want to believe and knowing that the Series 1 Open headlamp car is a breed that is about to become extinct, I would like to share some more facts.

A big part of the problem are the P. Porter books that people for decades used as restoration guides. The books themselves are nice, but Mr. Porter was more obsessed with the very early 3.8L cars and especially "home market" (UK) so a lot of the US LHD information is either misleading or incomplete. The data and chassis numbers given are typically correct, but a few US market specific Spares Bulletins have been "forgotten" and the dates never refer to production, but publication, which always came much later with Jaguar.

In case anyone really wants to check the facts themselves, it's all here:
Concours | Jaguar Clubs of North America

And the (revised in 2013) E-type Series 1 Concours Judge's Guide by Bob Stevenson:
http://www.jcna.com/sites/default/files/files/e-type1.pdf

Page 13:

Glass covers deleted at:
Build records:

Spares Bulletin (P198 - Canada & USA only):


Series 1 E-type Judges’ Guide Page - 14

LHD OTS: 1E14532 (made in January 1967)
LHD FHC: 1E34113 (made on January 10th 1967, XKE Data - 1E34113 - Jaguar E-Type (XKE) information, articles, photos and register )
LHD 2+2: 1E77010 (also made on January 10th 1967, XKE Data - 1E77010 - Jaguar E-Type (XKE) information, articles, photos and register )
Except these Canada / USA LHD cars:
OTS: 1E 14534, 14536, 14537, 14540-14544, 14559-14561, 14590-14592, 14595,14643, 14655, 14656
FHC: 1E34114-34117, 34130, 34139, 34212
2+2: 1E77019, 77026-77029, 77048, 77059 (JCNA AGM 1994)

NON CANADA/USA CARS (SB P198)&(SB Q.143)
1E.15889 1E.1864 1E.77645
1E.34550 1E.21584 1E.50975


So roughly it means that before the Series 1.5 changes took place, already this many "open headlamp Series 1 cars had been made:

LHD OTS 1E14532 -> 1E15889 = 1408 cars minus European continental cars (a couple hundred max.) and 18 USA/Canada cars

LHD FHC 1E34113 -> 1E34550 = 438 cars minus European continental cars (one hundred max.) and 7 USA/Canada cars

LHD 2+2 1E77010 -> 1E77645 = 636 cars minus European continental cars (one hundred max.) and 7 USA/Canada cars


Now I would say that was at least 2000 cars, out of which ca. 1200 were roadsters.
But by now almost all of them (well or at least 90%) have been "restored" to have closed headlamps aka. glass covered.
This is happening all the time. Why? Because so many feel the "closed headlamps" are "more desirable" and I agree, they are.

A quote from a seller of an original open headlamp Series 1 roadster (#1E14832):

"The more observant (or E-Type obsessed!) amongst you will notice that this car is sporting a 'Series 1 1/2' bonnet, with original bumpers and open headlamp covers. These may be reverted to true Series 1 if required."

Cheers,

Pekka T.
Fin.

PS. In some countries history can also be "reverted" like this, believe it or not.

 

what is the auction estimate?

 

1967 Jaguar E-Type Series 1 4.2-Litre Roadster | Arizona 2017 | RM Sotheby's

Lot 152

1967 Jaguar E-Type Series 1 4.2-Litre Roadster

Chassis no. 1E 15499Engine no. 7E 13246-9Gearbox no. EJ 14401Body no. 4E 7347
$175,000 - $225,000

Without Reserve

To be auctioned on Thursday, January 19, 2017

 

should chassis and engine number be the same?

 

Thank you for the education, gentlemen!