interesting reaction at the dealer today

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lol, in Italy for 150k u can buy an used FF, or a cali30 2013 and have 20k spare

 

Then again in Switzerland everything is more expensive, this is known

 

I think when you buy any new early model Fcar you must either not worry so much about depreciation or less frequently, just plan on keeping the car for a very long time. This is why I much prefer to buy and keep later MY cars that have been sorted and upgraded from the early model. I don't need to be the first guy on the block for new stuff.

As for dealers not willing to take cars back, I imagine trading one in at a competitor's dealer would work out better, especially if their new cars are not moving.

 

As someone who is in the market for a Cali30, yikes! I'm going to wait a few months an hopefully there is additional price depression due to the Turbo's.

 

Most Ferraris lose value during the first ten years.
So if you want to own the cars, then don't buy new. Buy used and get one for a deal-- about half the value of a new car. So about 5 years old.

Enjoy it for five years and if you want to sell it then you won't lose much and possibly break even.

 

heh they're not stupid Especially early models of the Cali, that are now outta warranty unless renewed and full of problems of the early versions.

 

Buying used is all about finding a clean car with the must-have specs, preferably with some warranty left over in case of an expensive issue popping up after you own it.

With used Fcars, they'll still be more expensive than most new cars so I would be very picky about how I spend that money. That's why I bought a new '13 instead of a used '12 - I got to spec the car and I also lucked out because the '13 was a Cali30 which turned out to very nice upgrade from the original car, with no price increase from a new '12.

At these prices, buy the car you really want. Don't compromise.

 

U spent more than 200k euros buying new.

an used '13 Cali30 still under warranty is now 130k in Italy. That's 70k lost in an year. Except for the fact of specing ur own car as u want I don't see advantages.

And if u wait 2 years u go at 110k. Still one year of warranty and the chance to make it Ferrari Approved the next year. 80/90k saved u can repair everything u want with those.

 

Well, you forget that by now I have already driven and enjoyed my car for 2 years. Your math only sorta works if I live in Italy and do nothing but wait 2 years ...and assume I will find the right car at the right price after 2 years of waiting.

Time is more valuable than money and I've already barely avoided death a few times in my life so if I can afford to buy a new Fcar I don't see the point in wasting my time over money I don't actually miss. The glass is half-full.

 

Amen...lifes too short not to get what you want. And if you have the means, get the car the way you want it. You plan on keeping your car for awhile so it totally makes sense. Plus, you keep your car impeccable so anyone getting your car will gladly pay a few bucks more for quality.

 

One thing is pure Bible : The US is different from Italy for what concerns Fcars so yeah, my math only works in Italy.

 

Disagree. Depends on the dealer. Some of the Swiss dealers are seriously snobby and arrogant, others are excellent and very customer-friendly.

Marcel Massini

 

Ross: Very sorry, but that (65% loss) is absolutely normal. And not in 5 but in 3 to 4 years. No surprise whatsoever. Has always been that way here in Switzerland. It is one of the most expensive countries on this planet.

Marcel Massini

 

Ouch. That is steep depreciation. If we had it that bad here in the states, I would be buying used too. When I bought my Cali 30 this year, the price difference was about 20k from new to used and Ferrari was giving 15k in options that became standard ( I.e cruise control)


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Absolutely correct. The reason your dealer wouldn't take a car - at any price - is that with so many in inventory already, the investment in that car is absolutely dead money, possibly for many years. No merchant can have too much cash tied up in inventory that does not move. It is a certain recipe for bankruptcy.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYppdrrTB8E

 

Very nice sound, thank you !

 

+1.

Also, I guess at least in the regional market where the OP is, the demand for the T is already affecting the prior cars sales values negatively. This isn't universally true, although there are a lot of Californias on the market.

I'm with 4th Gear and want to wait until things get sorted by the factory on the first gen. T, or at least late into the first production year (so maybe with ordering, it's a 2016 MY). What with turbos and Car Play, there are bound to be some things that will need attention.

No doubt I'll have more depreciation as a result, but it's not like I'm not enjoying the car in the meantime. In the end, the amount of depreciation is likely equivalent to the cost of having owned a new BMW M5 or AMG Mercedes during the same period, but you still have a Ferrari probably worth about $100k, maybe more. Not all that bad.

 

did you order T?

 

Yes i did, my first Ferrari, traded my Maserati GTC Sport, have October allocation, whatever that means