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Cali T Cosed Ended Lease -- $1622 a month !

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  1. letsplay99

    letsplay99 Karting

    Mar 28, 2013
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    Hey Guys,

    My dealer just passed me this on new 2015 Cali T's :

    Closed ended lease :

    Rate .00210 unless you pay everything at once in which case the rate goes to .00125

    Residuals:
    13 months 24 36 48 60
    3500 miles 174,000 163,000 159,000 150,000 141,000
    5000 miles 166,000 158,000 152,000 143,000 128,000
    7500 miles 157,000 146,000 142,000 132,000 119,000

    the sweet spot here is if you get a barely specced car at around 210-220 msrp for 36 months and put 20k down, you can get it at $1622 a month for 3500 miles...

    So I guess the bottom line is if you get a $210K (which is pretty bare) and drive it 11,500 miles in 3 years, your buy back is $132,000 which is a 62% buy back....what do you think? I don't think it is a bad deal considering you will lose 30-40k in the first year and who knows what if you drove it that many miles. Plus it is closed ended so someone rear ends you or anything, will not effect the residual as long as you get it fixed.
     
  2. dry4re

    dry4re Formula Junior

    Mar 29, 2005
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    Problem is most people aren't going to want a "stripped" Cali T....with just reasonable, not crazy, options you will be North of 240. If it will be a DD you are also going to be around 10k a year. Truthfully, it's a good bait and switch tactic at $1600 per month which would be 911 money to get you in the store. Good luck!
     
  3. Fly4Ree

    Fly4Ree Formula Junior

    Apr 18, 2015
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    Don
    It does present an attractive option to clean up any leftover 2015's. The '16's are being ginned up so a favorable finance program to let you drive the car a year or so will appeal to first time buyers. Low cash commitment could be allowing this program to be a gateway drug into something higher down the road.
     
  4. 95spiderman

    95spiderman F1 World Champ
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    Yes that is porsche money and cali makes better choice than tt cab as a weekend toy

    Porsche should worry
     
  5. colonels

    colonels Formula Junior

    Aug 5, 2011
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    $1,995 First month's payment
    $24,000 Cap cost reduction
    $2,000 Security deposit
    $1,495 Acquisition fee
    $29,490 Cash due at signing
    Closed-end Lease financing available on new 2015 Ferrari California T from participating Ferrari dealers on leases assigned to Ferrari Financial Services through September 30, 2015. Lease is for a 60 month term with 3,500 annual mileage allowance. Monthly lease payments are $1,995 for 60 months based on MSRP of $239,766. Payment of $29,490 cash due at signing includes $24,000 capitalized cost reduction, $1,995 first month payment, $1,495 acquisition fee, and $2,000 security deposit. Excludes tax, title, license, registration and dealer fees that are also due at signing. Program is available from participating Ferrari dealers to eligible, qualified customers with excellent credit history who meet Ferrari Financial Services credit requirements. Payments do not include applicable taxes. All figures presented are examples only. Actual MSRP may vary. Lessee responsible for insurance and maintenance during the lease term and any excess wear and tear as defined in the lease contract, $1.75/mile over 3,500 miles per year and a disposition fee of $995 at lease end. Purchase option at lease end (excluding tax, title, and other fees) is $141,000. Offer valid through September 30, 2015. Visit your authorized Ferrari dealer for important details.

    the interest rate is about 5.1% and the MSRP these numbers are based off is 239k

    they also want 24k down payment at signing so the price really is 215k

    it's an ok deal
     
  6. 95spiderman

    95spiderman F1 World Champ
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    3500 milage is not worth it. I would want 5k/yr
     
  7. mguthrie

    mguthrie Karting

    Jul 11, 2010
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    Mike G.
    For a daily driver I would have to have 10,000 miles per year. Then it does not make sense to lease anyway!
     
  8. colonels

    colonels Formula Junior

    Aug 5, 2011
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    fine print says $1.75 per mile over, it's a better deal to go for low mile limit and just go over it. the residual on the 5k miles limit is like a 7k difference
     
  9. colonels

    colonels Formula Junior

    Aug 5, 2011
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    looking at residuals the 36 month is the best deal (239k -24k downpay is starting 215k price)

    depreciation is 41k first year, 11k second year, 4k third year, 9k fourth year, 9k fifth year
     
  10. dry4re

    dry4re Formula Junior

    Mar 29, 2005
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    Assuming you have good credit you are better off going to your bank on a 5 year auto loan which should cost you less than 2% in todays market. With the same down payment your monthly cost is probably around $3k a month, you have no mileage restriction, can sell the car anytime you want, and own it after 5 years
     
  11. colonels

    colonels Formula Junior

    Aug 5, 2011
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    FYI total cost for my 2012 Cali was 238k taxes included

    traded it for 185k about 2 years later so that's a 53k loss over 2 years (with 9000 miles)

    their depreciation table is spot on
     
  12. colonels

    colonels Formula Junior

    Aug 5, 2011
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    selling a Ferrari as a private owner is HARD! believe me i tried with my 2013 458 spider which was a perfect spec red/tan still under warranty

    i was consistently lowest price on autotrader but no real bites for 6 months

    i like the fact that closed lease you can walk away. i also like that you can single pay all payments upfront and get a 3% interest rate
     
  13. uhn2000

    uhn2000 Formula 3

    Oct 15, 2011
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    Very interesting info, guess we take it for granted that Ferraris just sell..
     
  14. 95spiderman

    95spiderman F1 World Champ
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    Very surprised to hear that

    But why autotrader and not just list it here??
     
  15. Snewton94024

    Snewton94024 Formula Junior

    Apr 24, 2015
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    Having your dealer sell it on consignment is fastest way.
    It gets great exposure while on the show room floor.
    The dealer wants a percentage for their efforts including advertising and the sales paperwork. Can run as high as 10% or low as 5% depending on sales price of the car. I'm not wild about the percentage cost but there are some advantages in that usually you have qualified people looking at it on the dealer's floor and the dealer handles all of the sales activities and appointments which comes in handy if you have a crowded schedule or travel a lot.
     
  16. vjd3

    vjd3 F1 Rookie
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    Be careful with large cap-cost reductions ... they lower the monthly payment but if something should happen to the car, the gap insurance may only cover the difference between the insurance settlement and the remaining money owed on the lease. Your $24k could be lost with the car, as it would if you had just paid cash and totaled it.

    If the point of leasing is to free up your capital and know exactly how much the car will cost you to own over the lease period, put the $24k aside and dole it out month to month. You pay either way -- and should be able to make enough off the $24k to offset the interest.

    Also, that seems like a very high money factor if you have stellar credit, based on the 5.1 percent estimate.
     
  17. colonels

    colonels Formula Junior

    Aug 5, 2011
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    Yeah after looking at it again it's not a good deal. The 24k upfront is bad. If you remove it the monthly payments jump up considerably. The interest rate at 5% is also not optimal if you have good credit. 36 months is still the sweet spot in terms of this lease but I agree you can do better with financing or outright buying and gambling on resale yourself.
     
  18. MVDESQ

    MVDESQ Formula 3

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    The closed end part is the good thing because if you get a bad car fax report or if the market really drops out because they over produce the Cali T you have that protection. 24k up front is crazy. That makes the payment artificially low. What if the car is a lemon or gets stolen or totaled early on? Yikes. That cap cost reduction is nuts to me.


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  19. 95spiderman

    95spiderman F1 World Champ
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    aston martin v12 vantage lease
    $200k sticker
    36 months
    $2k down
    $2k/month

    that seems much better than calif lease for comparable car
     
  20. Snewton94024

    Snewton94024 Formula Junior

    Apr 24, 2015
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    The Astons are great cars but they are notorious for deep, early depreciation.
    Much more than any Ferrari model.
    This lease you describe seems too good to be true.
    Is it closed end or open?
    If closed end then they will fly out the door.
     
  21. 95spiderman

    95spiderman F1 World Champ
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    just got lease info emailed from long island sportscars

    think its a traditional closed end lease. just give car back after 3 yrs

    ends up being $74k paid over lease term. wonder what aston thinks they could sell it for after lease?
     
  22. roma1280

    roma1280 F1 Rookie
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    Always read the small print before you take out a lease. On a Mercedes I leased, it was cheaper to opt for the lower annual mileage and pay miles x per mile rate AND the mileage penalty you pay at the end of the lease!

    On these California deals I think the upfront is too high and mileage too low.
     
  23. qwertstnbir

    qwertstnbir Formula 3

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    Porsche don't need to worry because Ferrari will not build 10k cars per year.
     
  24. Super_Dave

    Super_Dave Formula Junior

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    They are making around 2.5k Calis this year. Around 25,000 911s... how many 911s are turbos? one in 10? Less, I am guessing... And how many are cabs? Maybe 25% of that number?

    So more Calis than 911 turbo cabs. Right?

    Don't see a lot of overlap in buyers though, since the turbo performance is more like the 488 or 458. I think it comps against an Aston or M6 or something. I could not imagine cross-shopping these cars.
     
  25. qwertstnbir

    qwertstnbir Formula 3

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    soon all or almost all 911 will be turbo
     

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