Cali T or 911 turbo s ?

991.2 GT3 Manual.

 

For a DD, I'd get the Porsche if I wanted to keep it a little low key. If I wanted a bit of drama added to the mix, the Cali T. Happily, you can't go wrong, both are fine cars...T

 

Turbo S.
Ultimate daily driver bar none.

 

The standard 911 C2 makes an excellent DD IMO.

 

Dunno about going back to Porsche, I have tried and I was not happy. The 991Turbo is a great package, I like it but don't love it. I would try the CaliforniaTHS or FF - DD usable and will keep you excited about driving them. Thoughts?

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Yup I get you, I still think the California T would attract a fair bit of attention. If you want to stay somewhat stealth definitely go 911 Turbo, I am sure there are some decent deals to be had.

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I cross shopped the 911 Turbo when I was shopping and still ended with the California.

Other than speed I couldnt find anything about the 911 that was better than the California.

 

Its an interesting discussion because I was at the Porsche dealer the other day for my wife's cayenne turbo (amazing truck) and I told my Rep it's really the only product I love from them now. He went nuts on me hehe.


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I have owned a 911 Turbo and now a Cali T, I find that the sat/nav radio is easier to use in the Porsche, but the Ferrari Cali T is more comfortable, and more enjoyable to drive. Porsche makes a great product but they all drive the same to me. I say that as both a high high compliment and also a negative for the brand.

 

I have been debating about whether I should go back to a 911 turbo or turbo S and trade in my california. My worries are that it is likely i will be moving to a place where i need to drive a car every day and i don't know how the cali will do as a true daily driver as opposed to the summer driver it is now. I also worry about the service costs going forward. I agree with those who say the porsche is nothing special when you drive it and the ferrari is special every time behind the wheel. It is also much more comfortable. I am truly lost about what to do.

 

I live in Toronto and its a big city, lots of nice cars around here. What is your opinion on attention? I like a bit of it, feels nice for people to appreciate it. Question: why less attention, do you need something to park infront of a clients office or even yours? If your like me, you probably won't go spend $180k+ on a car you simply just like; this may be the conundrum.

 

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Before I sold it, I used my '11 Cali on a near daily basis and to me it felt large and not especially nimble. It rode very well with the magnetorheological shocks, and was faster than it seemed, as it wasn't that hard to keep up with other Ferraris on back roads drives. Yet in the city, I hardly ever used gears other than 1st and 2nd.

The 991 Turbo is within an inch of all external dimensions of the Cali yet to me feels quicker and more nimble. I think it's easier to drive the Porsche fast and in all weather conditions except snow, and then even that's possible if you have the right tires. It doesn't sound as good as a Cali even with a Sharkwerks exhaust but the overall package seemed compelling especially since I opted to save by getting a Turbo instead of a Turbo S. I now drive the Turbo daily and feel it's terrific. The PDK in auto is always in the right gear and snaps off instant manual shifts in manual mode.

I think it would be harder to compare it to a Cali T, which gives little away in comparative performance.

I miss the convertible top but worries about an expensive roof failure was part of why I sold it, even though I never experienced a problem with it. I still have a 360 spider, though, to drive on the right occasions.

 

The 911 is rear engine-rear drive while the Cali is mid-front engine-rear drive so the 911's front suspension will be and feel lighter, more agile. You will notice the Cali even has wider front tires than the 458... because the added weight of the Cali's front end is significant. Given the Cali's metal roof, the whole car is heavier to drag around... but you do get the metal roof.

The original Cali's rack is 2.5 turns lock-lock, not bad (991 Carrera is 2.55 I believe), but the HS Pack Cali30 is 2.3 and the CaliT's is 2.2 and the latter cars definitely feel quicker to turn. The HS Pack will also quicken the suspension ECU response for the Magneride and provide stiffer springs which provide for quicker, more composed handling.

Finally, gear ratios of the early Cali, designed for more sedate response at city speeds are very tall, especially compared to the Cali30 and CaliT. I may have more to say about that later.

911s do drive well but their easy performance and refinement also reduce the degree of driver engagement and enjoyment. Similarly, I think Porsche should really do something about the uninspiring cockpit. You can sit in the most exciting 911 and yet feel completely disconnected by the dull interior.

 

Yes, I think I made a good decision with my car, but if someone were in the market for a Cali, they'd be best advised to choose a 30, HS30, or T.

This might be a useful comparison.

http://revdata.com/compare/2014-porsche-911-turbo-s/vs/2015-ferrari-california-t

 

I've owned both Californias, multiple Porsches including a 2015 Turbo S Cabriolet. The one big noticeable difference is the Turbo S has turbo lag; quite a bit, while the California T had none. The Turbo S is also four wheel drive and the handling was much sharper than either Californias. However, that difference might be addressed in the new Handling Package being offered on the new California T's . The reason I got rid of the Turbo S was I couldn't get rid of the foul wet sock smell coming out of the A/C vents despite multiple fix attempts by the dealer. In the end, both are good cars but if given a choice once again, I would do the Cali T. That turbo lag drove me bananas