Will a new Dino replace the California?

At nearly $250,000, well equipped, a California is hardly an entry level vehicle. My guess is the Dino will be less expensive and made in much larger numbers. Ferrari needs to keep the production numbers low to retain exclusivity, that won't be the case with the Dino. My guess is it will compete against the 911, which starts at $90,000. I am just basing this on common sense, I have no particular secret knowledge. We'll see. Aren't they talking about a fall announcement?

 

I don't see them making a Dino.

 

Or going further downstream the value chain. It would be very hard to keep the mystique and demand they are enjoying if they dilute the brand in any way. I stopped buying ///Ms and standard series 911s for that reason.

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Don't Ferrari need to keep below a total of 10 K cars per annum to remain exempt from mpg/emissions regulators?
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Part of the problem is the factory space. Out of the Maranello plant they can squeeze out 10k cars a year but that's it.

If they were to make a Dino I think they would want 10-20K a year just in those for sales. So, the car would most likely be made at the Maserati factory in Bologna which makes the realitively low production Quattroporte, Grandturismo, and Alfa 4c.

McLaren's 570's is a pretty car good car at $150K. You have to wonder how Ferrari could compete in that range and still make a profit worth the investment. And, would it hurt the very profitable 4 series?

They've studied this for years and always end up at the same conclusion. It's not 1967 anymore and Ferrari isn't making less than 1000 cars a year.

 

Ferrari has ruled out a car cheaper than the California. Anything lower is Maserati territory, as they say. Also, 10k units a year is the absolute limit as this exempts them from emission regulations in the EU. So a Dino is either not happening (the most probable scenario), or it will be just a smaller 488, but still very expensive and exclusive.

 

+1

However the Maserati factory (Gran Turismo, Gran Cabrio and 4C) is based in Modena.

 

Right on all counts. It's not happening. The only way Dino might be resurrected is with the new Cali, were there to be a V6 version.....

 

I was under the impression that this is happening and thought it was already widely believed as truth. IIRC weren't there mid engine V6 miles spotted by several people including Marchittino. Also with Uncle Sweater's recent comments bad mouthing the Cali it appears a Dino might just be planned as he's paving the way with his words.

 

The Dino is more fiction than reality. The rumor is that the future California will have two alternative engines, one a 2.9 liter twin-turbo V6 with hp ? and the other a 3.9 liter twin-turbo V8 with around 600 hp which will be able to do 0-60mph in 3 seconds.

The reason for having an hypothetical 2.9 liter engine version I can only understand it if Ferrari wants to lower substantially the price of this version in comparison to the 3.9 liter otherwise buyers will always prefer the second. However due to the fact that the Maranello factory is more or less limited to a maximum production of around 10.000 cars/year and Mr. Marchionne wants to make as much profit as possible, I can't see the point of occupying production space making a car that has a lower selling price unless it is more profitable than all the others.

 

Trust me, a new model makes no sense whatsoever. The costs would be prohibitive for just 1,000 approx units a year, the market segment is the most competitive in the industry with Porsche, MCL, Audi dominating in a furious battle, a part of the market Ferrari always considered themselves above. What is the point of investing hugely and risking brand image and getting down into almost Maserati price territory for a measly 1,000 cars a year, when all they have to do is pump out two versions of the Cali, a much more comfortable segment, at a very low incremental cost. After all, the bottom line is what counts in today's Ferrari world.

 

Keep this in mind...

Ferrari could be choosing their words wisely.

If they make a new entry level car and dont put Ferrari badges on it, only Dino badges, they are keeping their word but still create an cheaper car that they can sell higher numbers of.

They know they we know the Dino would still be a Ferrari, even if its not badged as such.

So i could see a $175k Dino being made and sold through Ferrari/Maserati dealers.

 

And what would the point be if they need to keep under 10,000 units and they are already close to 9,000?
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If its a Dino they dont have to include it in that count.

 

I don't think the Dino will replace the Cali. I do think the Dino can be real. Remember a Dino was NOT a Ferrari. I have said it before. The 4C is the perfect chassis to become the Dino. The car could be made at the Maserati factory around the corner or somewhere else. Alfa put a lot of energy into that 4C carbon frame. Why?

The new California will share a platform with another car. Sergio is obsessed with platform sharing to reduce cost.