Ferrari 348 Challenge for sale

The white and yellow car next to it looks a lot like a Shell F355 Challenge paint scheme. Any info on it?

 

Very beautiful and rare car.

 

Ex Mauro Moranelli 93-94
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Beautifull

 

If so, it seems to have been stripped of all of its Challenge equipment (roll cage, wheels, seats, etc., etc.)- all that appears to remain are some stickers and a "348 Challenge" badge on the back. That's a shame.

 

He is asking....

Red car = euro 258,000
White car = euro 580,000

I leave it to the reader to decide if that makes sense or not.

 

Interesting, thanks.
I can't help but think that this one would be more desirable (and valuable?) if it had its Challenge equipment intact- if so, it'd be more useful as a dual-purpose street/track car.

 

Red/White - I mean the 2 x 348GTC cars at Spingbok.

White = #25 Shell
Red = road variant

 

Stickers was the last mod made by dealer.

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Talking of STICKERS.....

I am in need of a new set of challenge stickers.

Any suggestions ?

 

[QUOTE 348 Challenge for sale, never raced.[/QUOTE]

"Never raced" because it's not (and never was) a race car, but rather a "factory" 348 Challenge missing all of the factory-supplied parts that would make it race-worthy.
These 348s are interesting since they were built so late in the model run and are rare, but if they weren't race-equipped and actually raced, as intended, I'm not sure how special they are- or whether they really qualify as "Challenge" cars.

 

"Never raced" because it's not (and never was) a race car, but rather a "factory" 348 Challenge missing all of the factory-supplied parts that would make it race-worthy.
These 348s are interesting since they were built so late in the model run and are rare, but if they weren't race-equipped and actually raced, as intended, I'm not sure how special they are- or whether they really qualify as "Challenge" cars.[/QUOTE]

Ira, I'm the owner/seller of the referenced 1994 348ts Challenge.

The 348 Challenge was built by Ferrari so that customers, if desired, could install the race parts kit and race the car in the Challenge series. However, some customers did not want to race the car, and, in the case of my car, chose not to order the race kit (actually, the kit was "option delete"). I sure wish I had that original kit now , but it was never supplied with this specific car.

As for "how special they are"; well, that's an opinion. Ferrari made 45 348 Challenge cars, only in 1994. 32 were tb, and 13 were ts. Personally, I think they are extremely special, simply because of the history of the model and the rarity, but I can also see how someone else would value a car with race history. I think my car is quite special, simply because it was NOT converted to a race car, but again, that's my opinion.

Finally, as for whether they "really qualify as a Challenge car", I don't think there is any question about that. Ferrari built these cars specifically for their new Challenge series. Whether they were raced or not isn't relevant to the question of whether they are "real" Challenge cars.

 

Ira, I'm the owner/seller of the referenced 1994 348ts Challenge.

The 348 Challenge was built by Ferrari so that customers, if desired, could install the race parts kit and race the car in the Challenge series. However, some customers did not want to race the car, and, in the case of my car, chose not to order the race kit (actually, the kit was "option delete"). I sure wish I had that original kit now , but it was never supplied with this specific car.

As for "how special they are"; well, that's an opinion. Ferrari made 45 348 Challenge cars, only in 1994. 32 were tb, and 13 were ts. Personally, I think they are extremely special, simply because of the history of the model and the rarity, but I can also see how someone else would value a car with race history. I think my car is quite special, simply because it was NOT converted to a race car, but again, that's my opinion.

Finally, as for whether they "really qualify as a Challenge car", I don't think there is any question about that. Ferrari built these cars specifically for their new Challenge series. Whether they were raced or not isn't relevant to the question of whether they are "real" Challenge cars.[/QUOTE]


I completely understand your position, and agree with much of what you've said. This car is indeed rare, and it's also an example of the final (and most developed) iteration of the 348, both of which make it interesting.
I do, however, respectfully disagree with your last sentence. Reasonable minds can differ on this, but IMHO a car isn't really a "Challenge" car unless it raced, or was built to race, in the Series. This particular one was never equipped with the Challenge Kit by an authorized dealer, so it was never even eligible to compete. As such, in its incipient state, it's more of a "Potential Challenge Car".
The problem, as you know, is that so many of the Challenge race-cars were rolled into a ball (often more than once!), so there are precious few left that were raced but unwrecked! That's why I jumped on the two I've owned- they were driven by back-markers like me, and therefore largely undamaged. I preferred that to a car with a more celebrated history but lots of repaired crash damage- others may well disagree.

 

If there are no challenge specific parts on it (other than the badge), it's not much of a challenge car. The challenger parts are what made the cars special, not the badging. A road car converted to challenge spec with the factory kit (even if never raced) would be more valuable than a factory challenge car that never had any challenge parts installed, at least to me.

 

This is a good discussion.

There are many Challenge specific features on the car, not just badging. The rollbar mounts, the harness mounts, the solid suspension bushings, the Challenge ECU, the non-offset rear wheels, etc.

However, I do understand your point about the lack of the factory kit; it would sure be nice now to have that, but I just don't for this car.