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Old 02-22-2013, 03:21 PM
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What is the best “no-rinse” car wash on the market today?

What is the best waterless(or no rinse) car wash product on the market today? It’s been awhile since I have researched this topic and I was wandering if any new products in this category have hit the market recently.

Also, would these products really be safe to use on perfect, swirl free paint? Will they leave any type of marring if used properly?

I used to think this type of wash method would be a great alternative for the cold winter months. Now, however, I'm beginning to think it may be a great year-round washing method as I'm fed up with washing my cars the old fashioned way...it takes far too much time and effort.

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Old 02-22-2013, 08:04 PM
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Optimum no rinse. ONR. Two capfulls, two gallons of water. Wash then dry off. Works great for light dirt and driving dust. I would not use it to wash off heavy winter salt and crud.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:01 PM
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You will never maintain swirl free paint if use a no wash car wash. There is no way to remove dirt particles from the paint you will always leave some particles behind which will scratch the paint.
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:50 AM
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I agree, you need to hose it off first. I could see a quick detailer spray for a light dust, but for anything more that that.... water.
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Old 02-26-2013, 12:19 PM
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On my 1973 BMW 3.0cs, which cannot get wet because the Karmann body work is so poor, I use Griot's green waterless car wash with good results. The car rarely gets very dirty, though, and it is Polaris silver which hides dust and dirt very well. The paint is also 20 years old, so it is far from perfect anyway. Good product if you are obsessive about avoiding rust. Not an issue on my 550 Maranello.
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Old 02-26-2013, 03:48 PM
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You will never maintain swirl free paint if use a no wash car wash. There is no way to remove dirt particles from the paint you will always leave some particles behind which will scratch the paint.
Do you have first hand knowledge of this or are you simply guessing?

I would be inclined to agree with you, however I have heard from a few guys who are very knowledgeable in the field of auto detailing that claim that the advanced polymers within these products(ONR in particular) serve to adequately lube the paint surface and avoid scratching. In fact, some have gone as far as saying these products are superior to the old wash method due to the superior lubricating properties of these products. Although, I am highly sceptical of this. Of course, I'm assuming you need to use common sense when using these products in order to get great results(i.e. not using these products as the only means to wash a heavily soiled car). Also, I believe pre-spraying the car with the product before washing helps to obtain superior results.

I'd be very interested to hear if anyone here uses these waterless wash products to clean their immaculate, swirl-free paint and can give us their results.
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Old 02-26-2013, 04:58 PM
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My detailer uses waterless car wash and has on all my cars for 4 years - 4 different ferraris, two Maseratis. I don't know what the chemicals are but it really works - never leaves swirls - I know people are skeptical but I am very anal when it comes to my cars and he is the only detalier I use on a regular basis when I am in Florida for the winter. I wish I has someone in North Carolina like him.
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Old 02-26-2013, 09:19 PM
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I concourse my car and you can discuss this with any national judge about swirls and waterless car wash. The key question is how dirty is your car. If it is just dust and has not been out in the rain it probably will work but if your car is dirty it will not work. Grit and grime do not completely lift off granted technique is also key how much you use and how often you change the towel or microfiber. Even improper technique during a normal car wash will scratch your paint like going in circles while washing the car. Always go front to back.
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Old 03-02-2013, 01:59 PM
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I concourse my car and you can discuss this with any national judge about swirls and waterless car wash. The key question is how dirty is your car. If it is just dust and has not been out in the rain it probably will work but if your car is dirty it will not work. Grit and grime do not completely lift off granted technique is also key how much you use and how often you change the towel or microfiber. Even improper technique during a normal car wash will scratch your paint like going in circles while washing the car. Always go front to back.
When you say frequently change the microfiber cloth, I think you are misunderstanding the no-rinse wash method I have in mind(which is also the method used by most, I believe, who use ONR).

I would use a two bucket method, one filled with clean rinse water and the other filled with a mixture of the no-rinse wash and water. The wash instrument would be a genuine lamb's wool wash mitt(not a microfiber towel).

Basically, my thinking on the proper wash technique is as follows: 1.) Use a spay bottle mixed with a solution of water and the no-rinse wash to pre-soak the entire car(this step is very important to help avoid scratching). 2.) Dip the lamb's wool wash mitt in the wash solution bucket(the first time it is not needed to 1st rinse the mitt in the rinse bucket) and gently wash the car one body panel at a time(starting with the roof and working down from there). 3.) In between washing separate body panels I would 1st dunk the wash mitt in the rinse bucket a few times to release the trapped dirt before dunking the mitt again into the clean wash solution bucket. 4.) Dry the car with a microfiber cloth, applying light pressure in case there is left over grit on the paint surface that may scratch.



To those of you who use this wash method; am I missing anything here in my description of the no-rinse wash process? Surely there must be some members here on Fchat that wash their own cars with this method and can give us some feedback on their results.

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Old 03-03-2013, 09:59 PM
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I now understand I thought you were talking about a waterless car wash. i see no benefit or advantage of what you are doing. I rinse my car with demineralized water using Groit's filters. The water just flows off hardly need to dry the car. it also prevents hard water spots on your paint and glass.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:31 AM
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spot free water

FWI. Most commercial self serve washes have spot free rinse water. It is generally water run through a reverse osmosis (RO) filter. If maintained it is truely as stated. A problem is having a car clean enough everywhere that no contaminated water runs out from a door jam or such as you drive away, assuming you didn't dry every square inch of your car.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:05 AM
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:50 PM
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I've used 3 methods, but first some quick facts...

* Vehicle: Silverstone Scuderia; entire front has clear bra
* Environment: S. California, always garaged, not driven in the rain (hence no 'wet' road debris)
* Detail: Professional detail once per year (correct swirls / light scratching and apply sealant)
* Maintenance: Weekly wipe down per one of the methods below

1. Meguire's Ultimate Quik Detailer -- Simple spray on, wipe off with microfiber towels. I noticed a lot of guys at C&C would use this product to wipe of the dust that had accumulated during their drive to C&C. Good for very light road dust only.

2. Optimum No Rinse -- Two bucket method following directions similar to what was described in earlier post. Good for moderate road dirt (not mud!). I tend to use a little more of the concentrate to increase lubrication, but I mix with tap water. The downside of using higher concentration is you cannot let the solution dry very much before wiping dry (else will leave streaks).

3. ECO Touch Waterless Car Wash -- Our local high-end detailer turned me on to this stuff (fyi, he is a mobile waterless detailer and this is the same product he uses to wash cars before he details them). Purchased as a concentrate and mixed in a spray bottle with distilled water. Simple spray on (I spray A LOT), wipe off with microfiber towels. At first I was skeptical and thought this would only be a suitable replacement for the quick detail spray. But its lubricating properties are much better. Thus I'd place it on par (or even better) with ONR in terms of the dirt-level it can handle. And, after drying the paint surface (with a 2nd microfiber towel), this stuff leaves a very slick 'film' on the paint surface; almost feels like it has been recently waxed. For bird droppings and bug splat, I spray once, let it soak in for several minutes, then spray again.

ALL THIS BEING SAID, I don't care what products / methods are used, scratches during cleaning are inevitable. Sure some products / methods help reduce scratches, but it will happen. Thus the value/importance of a periodic detail / light paint correction.

Just my experience & input.

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Old 03-05-2013, 10:20 AM
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Meguire's Ultimate Quik Detailer if car is "dusty" and not "dirty".
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:41 AM
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Old 03-05-2013, 09:17 PM
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Just like everything else advertised... cut the results in half with twice the effort and you will be satisfied.
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Old 03-17-2013, 10:33 PM
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When necessary and with light cleaning Adam's Polishes or Griots Products are both good.
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