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Extraordinary Collection of Bordeaux for Sale

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  1. prd575

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    #1 prd575, Jun 18, 2014
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    My very close friend who lives in Westchester County, NY has decided to offer his fantastic wine collection for sale.
    It consists essentially of magnificent Bordeaux and a few other things. I have attached the list.
    The prices offered are 10% below those shown on the list.
    All wines were bought at Royal Wine and were kept by seller in optimum conditions for perfect aging.
    Seller will not "sell by the bottle" nor does he expect to sell the whole collection in one transaction.
    He will consider offers on balanced lots (in terms of price per bottle) of a reasonable size.
    I am not financially interested in this transaction whatsoever. As soon as seller will indicate to me his interest in a proposed transaction, you will deal directly with him.
    I am just helping a very close friend who does not own a Ferrari (nobody is perfect!) and thought this could be a good forum for such exceptional wines.
    Please PM me if interested.
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  2. Wolfgang5150

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    #2 Wolfgang5150, Jun 23, 2014
    Yowza!! That's a seriously impressive collection.....
     
  3. spirot

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    #3 spirot, Jun 23, 2014
    Wow nice collection I have a couple of his vintages 1925 laffite and some 82's

    Sotheby's is the place to sell the Chinese will pay big time
     
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    #4 nerofer, Jun 24, 2014
    Nope, Tom: the Chinese are not buying any more "Grands Crus Classés" since the new "anti-corruption" offensive of their new government. Buying high class wines is now seen as the most obvious clue for dirty money, so they stay put. Sales of the french "first growth" have plummeted the last few weeks. Hope the prices will follow...

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  5. Steelton Keith

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    #5 Steelton Keith, Jun 24, 2014
    Not to mention all of the press (and a conviction or two) of big time collections selling fakes. Some of the big auction houses should have known better...this has put a bit of a chill on the investment grade/great wine purchases. Provenance and a certified chain of passion is critical. Prices were due for an adjustment that's for sure.
     
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    #6 Steelton Keith, Jun 24, 2014
    should have been "chain of possession" but "passion" was an appropriate mis-type!
     
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    #7 nerofer, Jun 24, 2014
    Ah come on, Keith; wine is in a way like Ferraris, they should not be considered for investment: just like Ferraris are meant to be driven, wines are meant to be drunk one day or another. Don't wait too long...otherwise the nice bottles will becomes icons, you then hesitate to open them; and when you do, its too late, the wine has passed its optimum window.
    My dad always said that the most difficult thing is to decide when to drink a wine, and to stick with your decision when that time is due.

    By the way, and back to the topic: hats off to the person who assembled the list included in the topic: not one "faux pas", I'm truly impressed!

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    #8 zjpj, Jul 5, 2014
    Nobody wants to buy a fake for drinking either.
     
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    #9 dstacy, Jul 10, 2014
    Obviously since I own a winery I attend and read a lot of industry seminars and clipping services. Counterfeit wine is all over the headlines. Current estimates are 55% of the Bordeaux on the market today is fake. Chinese containers of the stuff are being confiscated all the time. Lewis Perdue has a story about it almost everyday now.
    Madness.
     
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    #10 Wolfgang5150, Jul 10, 2014
    Didn't realize we had a vinter on here! Thanks for the input; would love to learn more....
    My wife's family produces wine in wurzburg Germany; very large operation
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    #11 dstacy, Jul 10, 2014
    There are 100's of these out there.....

    Counterfeit wine: A vintage crime - CBS News
    Lessons learned from recent fake wine scandals | STEVE HEIMOFF| WINE BLOG
    A few thoughts on the Rudy Kurniawan trial « Artisan Family of Wines
    Top 5 Wine Frauds - Fermentation
    Counterfeit traders fuelling demand for cheap and potentially dangerous booze | Society | The Guardian
    Italian police seize fake Brunello di Montalcino, Chianti wines | decanter.com
    Vintage Fraud: How To Spot A Counterfeit Wine - Forbes
    How Atomic Particles Helped Solve A Wine Fraud Mystery : The Salt : NPR
     
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    #12 Wolfgang5150, Jul 10, 2014
    Good lord! I didn't realize it was that widespread!
     
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    #13 dstacy, Jul 10, 2014
    Those are just a few. Like I said, over HALF of the Bordeaux on the market today is fake with more on the way.
     
  14. prd575

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    #14 prd575, Jul 15, 2014
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    Here is an updated list.
    About ⅓ of the collection has been sold.
    New prices reflect a 10% discount as mentioned in the original posting.
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    #15 spirot, Jul 18, 2014
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    #17 The extractor, Jul 24, 2014
    Today is July 24th. Can you update your wine list for sale?
    Thx
     

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