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220 KPH. Rose tinteds maybe?  Cheers, Ian
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The first guy was on wets. The second guy was even slower. I gave up at that point.......... Wanna see a balls out lap? - Here ya go: https://vimeo.com/10427952 JYS -v- Ronnie at Silverstone was another, but I can't find the film - Anyone? Cheers, Ian Last edited by Fast_ian; 03-06-2013 at 05:14 PM.
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I watched the entire race live then and recently on YT, during the coverage the analysts clearly said that the 2 Mclarens were the fastest of the field entering the Bosch curve at 220 MPH! MPH not kph. The Turbo era was the most powerful and the fastest. I attended many races then and saw what these cars could do. Similar speeds also reached at the end of the Mistral straight and start/finish line at Monza. From wiki: Österreichring track was known for being very fast, as every corner was a fast sweeper and were taken in no lower than 3rd gear in a 5-speed gearbox and 4th in a 6-speed gearbox, as well as noticeable changes in elevation during the course of a lap. Like most fast circuits it was a hard circuit on engines but more difficult on tires, because of the speeds being so consistently high. Many considered the Österreichring to be dangerous, especially the "Boschkurve", a 180-degree right-hand corner with almost no run-off area which, by 1986 when turbo's pushed Formula One engine power to upwards of 1,400 bhp (1,044 kW; 1,419 PS) in qualifying, had cars approaching at well over 320km/h (200mph). Please read carefully; Increasing speeds were also a concern at the Österreichring; during the final Grand Prix there in 1987 pole-sitter Nelson Piquet's time for the 5.942km (3.692mi) of 1:23.357 set an average speed record for the circuit of 159.457 mph (255.756 km/h). 160 MPH AVERAGE for entire lap, entered Bosch curve at 220 MPH Get some new glasses  80's turbo era still rules as the best period of F1, drivers, tracks, engines, and the beauty of the cars
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Just found this, wow, the ultimate candy shop
I had been looking for this don't forget in these video's whether it's the Honda Collections Hall, Brundle at Silverstone or Hamilton, these cars are irreplaceable and old, they are not turning the boost up too far as they don't want to blow an engine or see it in the wall. Last edited by Vinny Bourne; 03-06-2013 at 07:05 PM.
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Vinny, thank you for the excellent write ups and videos. My favorite ERA as well, you should by the book the 1,000 HP Grand Prix Cars.
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- Only very rarely have they been allowed to reach those speeds...... - I too (think ) I recall the era; While fast, the O'Ring was always the bridesmaid to Silverstone's bride when it came to *quick* laps. And I don't think they ever topped 220 at S/stone. (?)Quote:
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) on the *pit* straight at Brands! Not the long straight out into the country, the little (blind) one heading into Paddock...... Awe inspiring. Not so much the top speed, but the speed at which he got there! Quote:
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Ian, great post.
Shows what the true titans of this sport were...the mid 2000s V10 cars. I know for a fact that the old turbo cars would be destroyed by them and I sincerely doubt the new ones will touch any of their records. http://www.motorstown.com/images/mclaren-mp420-02.jpg Last edited by TifosiUSA; 03-07-2013 at 08:29 AM.
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But on a track like the old Silverstone I think I would go with an 80's turbo in qualifying trim. And if you said use the same chassis to pit engine against engine I would again take the 1986 turbo. Above we have Berger, Brundle, Clarkson, and Hamilton all saying the "titans" were the 86 turbo's. The V10's circa 2005 were very impressive engines, but I like the more powerful sounding lower revving turbo's. Some comparison of numbers; from F1 technical about 2005 season --"That same year, some 3l V10 engines were producing more than 980hp and running very close to the 1000hp mark, a figure that was never reached since the ban on turbo engines. It was a sign for F1's governing body to change the regulations as top speeds at Monza of 370km/h were deemed hazardous " (source unknown)
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As we know these cars were not set-up to achieve top speed and there were many considerations. I found this about monza as I remembered -- "During the 2nd Qualifying session at Monza, Gerhard Berger's Benetton B186-BMW was speed trapped fastest of all cars at 352.22 km/h (219 mph)". Even though these were wider cars with wider tires which would incur a drag penalty it is simple math when you have 350bhp more than the 2005 engines. Something else to appreciate about the Nakajima/Oesterreichring video posted above is that the Lotus he is driving was an ACTIVE suspension car. That is why the video is so smooth vs. the suzuka one you linked. The Lotus suspension is traveling a lot but the car is kept at the same ride height relative to the pavement all around the track. Brands and this race in particular is a favorite;
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"Difficult" is a definite understatement! Tires, fuel regulations, circuit changes etc etc all impact it fer sure. It can't really be done, but it won't stop us trying! FWIW, Monza is one of the few that hasn't changed a whole lot over the "modern" era(s) - It stayed the same from 76-93, changed a little in 94 and again in 95. So, for ****s & grins I tabulated all the pole times since '76; Obviously omitted the "1 minute....." Quote:
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Cheers, Ian Renault believes it deserves more credit for Red Bull title success - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com
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