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  1. Ferraripilot

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    #1 Ferraripilot, Apr 5, 2013
    Various sources Spanish and Italian are now claiming Red Bull tested something with their rear wing at Idiada yesterday or earlier today on RB9 for about an hour.

    My guess is they were testing their DRD at Idiada in preparation for the long straight at China where such a device could be of massive benefit.

    Of course this all could shoot them directly in the foot if they find their system is activiting and partially stalling the rear wing when they absolutely wouldn't prefer it, such as sector 2.

    From Italian press:

    " From the information that I received this morning from Spain shows that the Red Bull team went to the track IDIADA to check new aerodynamic package.'s Likely that the main task of which was brought before the engineers team from Milton Keynes is to test a new system of suppressive pressure of the rear wing. So far, none of the teams have decided to use it mainly due to the characteristics of the object, which took place the first two eliminations this season.

    As suggested by the Italian press in the coming days on the track IDIADA should also receive the Ferrari team.


    and: F1 | La Red Bull a sorpresa in un test ad Idiada

    Idiada, April 5, 2013 - According to our informants who live in the area of ​​the circuit Idiada, this morning would be going on an aerodynamic test the Red Bull team.

    Obviously you do not know details, nor the name of the pilots involved in the test, much less what technical solutions would be in the study.

    It 'conceivable, however, that the main straight Idiada Red Bull is trying the new DRD. In fact, several times during the winter tests had been tried before being shelved, but according to the team of Milton Keynes, the device would be able to see right in China.

    We will inform you as soon as possible for further details





    Toto Wolf advised the German media Mercedes are bringing a sizeable aero package to China as well.
     
  2. Ferraripilot

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    #2 Ferraripilot, Apr 5, 2013
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    #4 VIZSLA, Apr 9, 2013
    Why Webber hasn't resigned is a mystery to me. It's Seb's team and will be as long as he's there. Why Mark hasn't accepted that or moved on seems a bit delusional.
     
  5. Rosso328

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    #5 Rosso328, Apr 9, 2013
    Yes, it's Seb's team. But for the past few years they have had the best car. There is no way RB will let Webber win the championship while Seb is still there, but perhaps he is looking at it as his best opportunity to win a few races.
     
  6. Rosso328

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    #6 Rosso328, Apr 9, 2013
    Hang on a minute. I just 'heard' what I 'said' there.

    He might have thought it was his best chance to win a few races... but clearly SV doesn't think so.
     
  7. Ferraripilot

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    #7 Ferraripilot, Apr 9, 2013
    If I were Webber I would do everything I could to make sure Seb doesn't win another title, crash him out, knock him out unconscious, something. I know it sounds rediculous but Webber knows at this point he's never going to be allowed to win a title and even winning races is now in question. It's stupid, so he is authorized to fight equally stupid. What's the point of racing is undoubtedly the question Mark Webber has to ask himself before every race prior to the end of the season, because he's clearly not allowed to win.
     
  8. rmani

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    #8 rmani, Apr 9, 2013
    this was my thought as well. all the major teams have a lead driver (except arguably mclaren now) so webber figured RB was the best places to rack up a bunch of wins. It's a shame i'd love to see him leave and drive for mclaren or lotus.
     
  9. classic308

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    #9 classic308, Apr 9, 2013
    Mark's too classy to do that. I would race him hard to the end and F any team orders such as "maintain position" and "turn the engine down". It is 10/10ths, cojones to the wall racing from now on if I'm Webber. Clean and very hard!
     
  10. freshmeat

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    #10 freshmeat, Apr 9, 2013
    Popcorn ready. If Mark still has some gonads between his legs he will punt Vettel into the wall or at least run him off the circuit.
     
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    #11 Fast_ian, Apr 9, 2013
    +1

    You should not, *ever* **** with your teammate - Seb learnt this the hard way last time out and will hopefully be a little more "circumspect" next time he & Mark are close.

    I too don't believe he'll put him in the wall, but I can see him leaving no quarter.... As noted, "popcorn at the ready"...... ;)

    Cheers,
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  12. Ferraripilot

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    #12 Ferraripilot, Apr 9, 2013
    Oh yes.




    In other news, I heard Mclaren conducted a straight-line test last week and everyone will be bringing their DRD for testing at least during FP1 and possible use after.
     
  13. Fast_ian

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    #13 Fast_ian, Apr 9, 2013
    Interesting, thanks.

    I suspect a few others have also done some straight line testing ahead of this W/E.

    Seems they're all concluding there's something to be gained but not how to "control" the effect thus far.

    Cheers,
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    #14 VIZSLA, Apr 9, 2013
    The insidious and dangerous side of team orders.

    Or rather, ignoring team orders. By all accounts RB's standing order is to hold position relative to your team mate after the final pit stop. Seb violated that and can not expect Mark to respect team orders in the future. This does not mean that he has license to crash him out.
     
  15. freshmeat

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    #15 freshmeat, Apr 9, 2013
    Screw class. gloves should be off.

    I want Mark to do something so spectacular that we will remember it for the ages. Would make an epic script for Rush 2! teeehehehe
     
  16. DF1

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    #16 DF1, Apr 9, 2013
    +1 This weekend it will all be about the fallout from Sepang.
     
  17. VIZSLA

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    #17 VIZSLA, Apr 9, 2013
    The people have spoken

    ;)
     
  18. freshmeat

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    #18 freshmeat, Apr 9, 2013
    I believe this has been discussed, but yes, no one disagrees that Vettel is the better driver.

    I read a report somewhere that indicated at some point during their Sepang duel Webber was advised not to push too hard because he was low on fuel and his tires were shot. That message was broadcasted just before the turn Vettel finally completed his pass on Webber, which I might add, if you watch the replay (as Sky did) shows Webber leaving a huge gap for Vettel to cruise through.

    I would like to think with all of Webber's experience, he left the door open intentionally, probably because he was afraid of wrecking if he continued to race with Vettel. This part is just speculation.
     
  19. DF1

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    FRA - nice city with a really big airport :)
    #19 DF1, Apr 9, 2013
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    #20 barbazza, Apr 9, 2013
    That statement implies Mark respected team orders in the past . ;)
     
  21. VIZSLA

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    #21 VIZSLA, Apr 9, 2013
    It wasn't intended to.
    How McLaren managed to handle two star drivers seems more and more impressive. IMO RB's poor management skills are the team's biggest weakness.
     
  22. freshmeat

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    #22 freshmeat, Apr 9, 2013
    Mark has respected them by eventually following them. e.g. Brazil.

    He was firmly reminded not to race Vettel and he didn't after the message was repeated.
     
  23. Sellnit

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    #23 Sellnit, Apr 10, 2013
    I have respected Mark Webber in the past, my gut tells me I am going to absolutely love him for what he may do for the balance of the season......race on gents.
     
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    #24 Fast_ian, Apr 10, 2013
    +1

    CH doesn't exactly come out of this mess smelling of roses either; "Ahh, come on Seb, this is silly" is not the comms I'd have expected from a team principal.

    Seb & crazy Helmut are bigger than the team? They'll learn the hard way that's never, ever, the case.

    Adrian also seems ominously quiet on the matter. IMO he knows the damage that's been done - A poisonous garage will never work.

    Cheers,
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  25. VIZSLA

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    #25 VIZSLA, Apr 10, 2013
    Adrian has been around too long and knows better than to even comment.

    RB management is showing their lack of experience. You can get away with this sort of foolishness when you're winning but when the on track luck runs out the cracks will show.
     
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