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What will it take for Ferrari to press the reset button?

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  1. subirg

    subirg F1 Rookie

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    So, given that the FI4T is a dreadful car, the new engines are hopeless, the team principal doesn't have a clue, and the fans are starting to lose patience - when will Ferrari come to its senses and press the reset button on the team? If ever there was a good time to start over, this has got to be it. Ferrari has been the most important team in F1 since the beginning of the sport, but right now, I am worried that the afterglow of an illustrious past isn't worth the investment that everyone (especially the other teams) has to make to keep Ferrari present.
     
  2. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    If the big update for the European season isn't enough, write this year off completely and do whatever it takes to make next years car the class of the field.
     
  3. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    If Spain yields similar results then they must make early progress on the next year. A win or 2 and average results this year will not catch Mercedes. Its almost over now looking at the points as they are, and projecting even minor improvements yields worse results than last year.
     
  4. Igor Ound

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    Tombazis and Fry out. Open a research centre in uk.
     
  5. PowerSlide

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    The current people really need to kicked out and find some fresher brains for the job, no one in the team knows how to build a winning car anymore.
     
  6. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    IMO they should make a decent offer to Ross Brawn again. He's free these days.

    That'll be step 1.
     
  7. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Yup. The only team that has a small chance of overthrowing the Mercs is Red Bull. Very strong driver pairing, very good and stable team behind them as well. Their only issue is not having as much power as the Mercedes currently.
     
  8. tazz99

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    Steal a Mercedes and paint it red.
     
  9. Igor Ound

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    I think the engine development freeze si stupid tough. Given it concerns engine manufacturers and not teams trying to get on the grid, maybe a cap on supplying contracts is enough. This way the show is ruined for the whole season IMO.
     
  10. furoni

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    Ferrari is ****ed for good....with the stupid engine freeze they are stuck wit what they have, wich is vclearly a pile of ****....they can improve and do a great car but i'm afraid they're stuck with that engine for good...so i see no hope in the next few years!!!
     
  11. DeSoto

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    The engine is not totally frozen and the hybrid stuff is still free; I guess that it´s where the biggest gap with Mercedes is.
     
  12. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    It is. This season is, in effect, over for teams that didn't get their basic designs right.
     
  13. Ferraripilot

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    I don't think F14T is a terrible car, just terribly underpowered hence the drivers are forced to overdrive the car. Their battle is in the powertrain research area and nothing more IMO.
     
  14. tifosi12

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    1) Fire Tombazi. Too much infighting in the aero department.
    2) Replace Domenicali with Brawn


    That will address two of the problems. I don't know anything about who's in charge of the engines, so can't help you there.
     
  15. classic308

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    This and hire the guys who did the Prius for the "power train".
     
  16. classic308

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    Power trains, not engines! Engines are so 2013....lol
     
  17. Igor Ound

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    It's Marmorini, who has been there for a while. In the engine department responsabilities have been reassigned a bit since the start of the season but no one got hired or fired.
    Main problem IMO is that Ferrari is too far away from what has basically become the Silicon Valley of F1 in uk and has fewer contacts among engineers changing outfits and specialised universities. Even worse now that Toro rosso seems to be repositioning in England.
    Ferrari, instead, has just built its new f1 centre in Maranello.
    F1 has become too English IMO.
     
  18. furoni

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    I guess it's Marmorini...he did a good job on the v8s....but e felt he was not as good as he's predecessor
     
  19. starboy444

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    +100 !

    Luca Marmorini is the head of engines.. He has had a great career in the last 10 years with Honda, Toyota and Ferrari. But something is lacking with the Ferrari cars... I don't know if its the engines, aero or powertrain. But The Renaults and Mercedes are consistently better.
     
  20. spaghetti_jet

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    They have all the facilities, plenty of money and can attract the very best talent in the world, so ultimately what we are left with is a Leadership Failure.

    IMHO the problem with Ferrari is they have an outmoded approach to "teamwork". The atmosphere in the team is all wrong and the worse the results on Sunday the heavier the tone/threats/bullying on Monday.

    At a certain point last year Montezemolo called the F1 heads together and gave them all a knife. Why? So that they could all stab each other in the back? This guy needs to realise that you don't get the best out of people telling them to "work harder" and if not, you're fired.

    I think the best way for Ferrari to reach the top again would be to completely change the management structure and put in-place some humble, smart, motivated people that understand how to get the best out of people.

    So I agree with some of the comments above: Fry, Tombazis and Domenicali out for sure & Montezemolo too.
     
  21. Scuderia-Ferrari

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    The best thing at this point is press the end button. Ferrari is so out of touch of how to build a competitive car it's not funny. When you get passed by both Force India and Williams cars it's time to take a cold hard look at what the frak is going on. Sadly no one at Ferrari has a clue what is going on and how to fix the problem. Ferrari has joined the ranks of the junior teams now.
     
  22. tifosi12

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    I agree that it is definitely a management problem.

    AND not being part of the British F1 Silicon Valley

    It is now beyond not having Newey.
     
  23. Igor Ound

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    Ferrari is not the biggest spender anymore. Mercedes and red bull trump them.
     
  24. DeSoto

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    The problem of the "F1 Silicon Valley" has no solution. Moving the facilities to the UK already has been tried and didn´t work; as Jean Todt said, you can´t solve all the problems by phone. But as Todt himslef proved, it´s not such a big deal, it´s possible to win from Maranello.

    It´s true that Mercedes is outspending them, and that has not easy solution, but just like McLaren, they should be doing better with what they currently have.
     
  25. Ryan S.

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    Forza Tata!
     

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