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FRIC suspension systems set to be banned

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  1. freshmeat

    freshmeat F1 Veteran

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    From autosport:

    Formula 1's FRIC suspension systems, believed to be one of the strengths of the dominant Mercedes car, could be banned for the German Grand Prix, AUTOSPORT can reveal.

    Less than a fortnight before the next race at Hockenheim, the FIA has informed F1 teams that it believes the Front-and-Rear Interconnected Suspension (FRIC) systems used by most of them are illegal.

    According to sources, the governing body wrote to teams on Tuesday to tell them that following detailed investigations into the design of the FRIC systems, it believes they are in contravention of the rules.

    In the note, a copy of which has been seen by AUTOSPORT, Whiting said: "Having now seen and studied nearly every current design of front to rear linked suspension system we, the FIA, are formally of the view that the legality of all such systems could be called into question."

    Whiting suggests that the way the suspension systems help control pitch and roll could be in breach of article 3.15 of F1's technical regulations.

    Article 3.15 is the catch-all regulation that relates to moveable aerodynamic devices. It outlaws any part of the car that influences the aerodynamics that is not "rigidly secured to the entirely sprung part of the car (rigidly secured means not having any degree of freedom)."

    The FRIC systems link the front and rear suspension to maintain a constant ride height for improved performance.

    Lotus (then called Renault) was the first team to introduce the concept in 2008.

    Mercedes more recently took the design to the next level and is now believed to run the most complicated system, however it is unclear which team would suffer the most from a ban.

    With limited testing time before the next race at Hockenheim, and 2014 designs being based around FRIC, the FIA is open to delaying the ban if there is consensus among teams.

    It has asked teams to vote on whether or not they will be in favour of delaying the ban until the start of 2015 rather than it coming into force for the German GP.

    However, for that to happen it would require unanimous support from all the teams on the grid.

    It is unclear how easy it will be to achieve unanimous support for a delay - especially if any team feels its FRIC design is not as good as a rival's, or indeed if a team is not running the system at all.

    If unanimous support is not reached, then Whiting has made it clear that from the next race in Germany, any team running FRIC risks being reported to the stewards by the FIA for non-compliance with the regulations.

    The fact that the FIA has indicated it believes FRIC to be illegal also opens the door for a team to protest one of its rivals from the next race.
     
  2. Wolfgang5150

    Wolfgang5150 F1 Rookie

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    Can you change the thread title to 'Mercedes about to be SCREWED by the FIA mid-season'.............

    what a f-ing joke; another mid-season rule change.
     
  3. Bas

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    pretty sure it will be banned by 2015 only.
     
  4. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    it would suck if it got banned mid season. Championship improves, of course...but the FIA should've disallowed it earlier (before the season) instead of sitting there with their thumb up their ass fishing for the dumbest rules to think off.
     
  5. PowerSlide

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    so far into the championship and now only to ban it, typical FIA
     
  6. Bas

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    Just read that it needs unanimous decision.

    Goodbye FRIC...

    Not a chance Ferrari will vote for it to stay (presumably they don't have FRIC?)
     
  7. Edward 96GTS

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    how is the front suspension connected to the rear, via computers??
     
  8. Dino Chang

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    Wow, this is mad.
     
  9. hairy_scotsman

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    They do. According to Scarbs, only FI don't run FRIC.
     
  10. Mozella

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    Did you mean to say, "what a FRIC-ing joke.....?"
     
  11. TifosiUSA

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    Can you say mass damper?
     
  12. GrigioGuy

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    I think it might be time to stop wasting Sundays watching this farce
     
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    They're was early info about this system. I'll try to find images. I think it was electronics and some hydraulic system. IIRC lead or something was used.
     
  14. VIZSLA

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  16. VIZSLA

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    Seems we attended the same acadamy.
    ;)
     
  17. DeSoto

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    This stuff is really old, a ban would arrive very late and won´t make a big difference as almost everybody is using FRIC suspension so I can´t understand why FIA suddenly comes now with this idea.
     
  18. VIZSLA

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    It reshuffles the deck.
     
  19. william

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    The FIA at its worst: controversial and farcical.


    One day they will wonder where their audience is gone...
     
  20. GordonC

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    What a pathetic joke. Mercedes has been using FRIC in some form for at least the previous 2 seasons. They were early adopters, spent a lot of development effort to come up with likely the best implementation, had it signed off by the FIA for years, and now the FIA dares to talk of a sudden mid-season ban? Moronic. Change the regulations for next season if they must, but a drastically change like this proposal just makes them a laughing stock.

    (FRIC is supposed to be totally passive and reactive, to avoid hints of the banned active suspension systems. Not lead, but at one point mercury was used! )
     
  21. TifosiUSA

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    FRIC has been around since 2008. I believe Renault developed it first.
     
  22. freshmeat

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    Lotus were the first on the scene w this, but mercedes took it to next level.
     
  23. Ferraripilot

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    Interconnected suspensions have been around for a while, it's just that Mercedes developed a system with no computers which is damn near active suspension because it practically thinks on its own, as I understand its operation anyway. Bob Bell while at Lotus really started honing it and then pretty much perfected the system at Mercedes.

    I wouldn't plan on this being reality until 2015, most teams are running an interconnected system and to remove it altogether with this little lead-time would be difficult for anyone.

    Additionally, even if they did ban it now Mercedes will still dominate. It changes nothing in that way, not with Mercedes having a full second in the bag.
     
  24. freshmeat

    freshmeat F1 Veteran

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    ^^^ what he said. Mercedes will continue to dominate. only hope for other teams next season is if they are able to emulate and improve upon merc's power unit configuration.
     
  25. subirg

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    Makes you laugh...
     

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