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F399 vs F300

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  1. ren0312

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    So relatively speaking which was the better car between the two? Irvine almost won in the F399 and scored more points than he did with the F300, but 2 of those were assisted by Schumacher and Salo. On the other hand, even before Silverstone Schumacher was already falling behind Hakkinen so how many more points would Schumacher have scored with the F399 if he had not been injured? But unlike the F300 Ferrari won the constructors championship with the F399, but then if not for Spa Schumacher would have taken the title in 1998.
     
  2. TifosiUSA

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    F399. Schumacher would have walked that title if it wasn't for his injuries.
     
  3. DeSoto

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    The F399 won the constructors championship. The F300 nothing.

    But the performance of the F300 was handicapped by the Goodyear tires, so who knows.
     
  4. TifosiUSA

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    I will say that Michael's performance in the F300 is one of the greatest of all time.
     
  5. ren0312

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    LOL at the Minardi teaming looking like they won the WDC at the 1999 European GP.
     
  6. ren0312

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    If not for the Cube. Dismiss the Cube at your peril. I remember that Schumacher's campaign was already in deep water even before Silverstone so he may lost in 1999 even if uninjured.
     
  7. TifosiUSA

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    If Irvine almost won the title, Schumacher would have had little trouble.

    The Cube? Sorry I don't follow.
     
  8. ren0312

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    Spa. 1998. Worst. Race. Ever. We were even denied a cage match.
     
  9. TifosiUSA

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    Agreed.

    That drive by Michael was unbelievable - he was on another planet. Freaking Coulthard....
     
  10. furoni

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    I would say..****ing coulthard!!
     
  11. DeSoto

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    #11 DeSoto, Jul 23, 2014
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    I don´t like playing "what ifs", but if Schumacher had not crashed and scored the same points that Irvine got since the British GP, plus the win at Malaysia that he had to hand down to Irvine, plus his 2nd place at Suzuka versus Irvine´s 3rd, he would have won the championship with ease.
     
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    Since then i never said "break a leg" again to anyone....
     
  13. Drive550PFB

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    If a Frog had wings, he wouldn't land on his ass every time he jumps.

    Hakkinen won the WDC!

    Everyone else can cry in their beer!
     
  14. TifosiUSA

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    Lol who is crying? Certainly not Schumacher fans...7 WDCs works for me.

    Hakkinen was "meh" in 1999, made such hard work out of that WDC with mistakes in what was clearly the best car on the grid. I'll never forget him crying in the bushes after cocking up an easy win at Monza. Similar to Hamilton 2008. The only competition for both were Ferrari number 2s and both barely won.
     
  15. DeSoto

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    #15 DeSoto, Jul 23, 2014
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    We all know that your opinion about Hakkinen is "biased" ;-) But probably even you will admit that 1999 was not his best season.

    Yet, as I´ve said I don´t like "what ifs" either.
     
  16. ren0312

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    #16 ren0312, Jul 23, 2014
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    On a slightly related note I wonder how good was John Barnard, people seem to think very highly of him despite the 1993 and 1994 Ferrari, how much of the performance of the F310B was due to Schumacher rather than Barnard, this also makes me somewhat skeptical about Ross Brawn coming back to Ferrari, since after Schumacher left in 1995 Rory Bryne, Todt, and Brawn were still in Benetton until 1997 and yet Alesi and Berger did badly in the Bryne designed Benetton. Irvine also said that Bryne was not all that and that it was mostly down to Schumacher.
     
  17. Remy Zero

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    Definitely. The F399 was easily the fastest car of the season.


    Not really. Never rule a comeback. If Salo who knew almost nothing of the car can come aboard and almost win at Hockenheim..imagine the car in Schumi's hands..
     
  18. ren0312

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    The Cube as in Coulthard, look at Spa 1998. Maybe this is a good argument for closed cockpits with windshield wipers.
     
  19. furoni

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    Not really, even if the 96 benetton was far from being as good as the 95 car, Alesi was pretty good on that car, i would say almost even with Shummy in the Ferrari
     
  20. DeSoto

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    After winning both champioships, and using the same Renault engine of the winning Williams, 4th is not a good result.

    In the end, there are not saviours: Brawn, Newey, Barnard... they all have made good and bad cars.
     
  21. TifosiUSA

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    Both Alesi and Berger hated the 1995 Benetton when they drove it. Schumacher may have been flattering that car.
     
  22. furoni

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    That´s true, even Shumy said the car was difficult as oposed to the 94 car that he liked very much...he said once he didn't know how he was able to win the championship in that..i do, the best car had Hill and D.c driving, LOLOLO, and the Ferraris where still worse than the benettons!!!
     
  23. DeSoto

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    The Benetton of 1995 couldn´t be so bad when even a Johnny Herbert ignored by his own team was able to get some decent results with it.
     
  24. TifosiUSA

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    Certainly not bad, but not the fastest car that year. The Williams was faster. That said, I remember reading where Alesi and Berger stepped in to test it following MS's departure and found it very difficult to drive.
     
  25. Drive550PFB

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    I am a Hakkinen fanboy. (That does not diminish my admiration for Schuey.)

    I am not a fan of the "What Ifs" that are so common on the internet. When playing the What If game, one could easily say that -- except for the pit crew man on the left rear wheel gun, Hakkinen would have won the 2000 WDC, and taken a hat trick if titles.

    Or I could point to an FIA ruling on the McLarens--that didn't apply to other cars--which severely diminished their performance relative to the other cars. (Recall, in the first race of '98, the McLarens lapped the entire field up to 3rd place. And they were holding back.)

    Interesting that the thing the FIA outlawed, which was changing the brake bias during a lap, is now a button on the steering wheel.
     

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