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Radios - Should they be outlawed?

Discussion in 'F1' started by Fast_ian, Sep 14, 2014.

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Should (and how) radios be permitted?

  1. Radios should be outlawed

  2. Radios are ok, but not for driver coaching

  3. Let 'em at it. It's all fair game

  4. What's a radio? ;)

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  1. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Hey,

    Outside of the great LH/NR debate (pissing contest? ;) ) seems this one has aroused more emotions than almost anything else,

    So, time for a poll....

    - no radios allowed. Once the flag drops, the BS stops and he should be on his own.
    - radios are OK, but only for discussing strategy etc.
    - let them at it! It's a team sport and telling him where he's gaining/losing time versus his 'mate etc is part of the game.
    - what's a radio? ;)

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  2. Bas

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    Let them at it.

    Will explain tomorrow. Too hungover to explain in detail :(
     
  3. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    I voted they are 'ok'! :)
     
  4. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Well IMO it should be either one or the other, bearing in mind the safety aspect, whereas I feel a total ban is not required unless for an emergency.

    The down side for us with a ban, is we do not hear aspects of brake wear, gap times ect, and funny comments from Kimi ect.

    Other than that I could live with a radio ban.
    Drivers that need coaching, well you argue they shouldn't even be in F1.

    So would it boil down to what, "box now" and that's it.
    Or
    Continue as we are now, "where is my team mate gaining on me" ect.

    No big deal to me personally, I pretty much know what drivers I feel are quick, and ones that are obviously getting the team order nod, so a partial radio ban IMO, could be circumnavigated anyway.

    Am easy with it either way.
     
  5. william

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    I voted for a total ban on radio.

    Pit signals have been used for decades, and that's all the drivers need to get.
     
  6. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Interesting split so far...... I'm surprised.....

    Guess I'm even more surprised we haven't had a vote for option 4 thus far - Was included for the benefit of a couple of our "newer" members...... ;)

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  7. 4rePhill

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    I've voted that they should be banned!

    It would bring back far more unpredictability to the races and drivers at this level should be able to race without any additional help! - As I've previously posted, the MotoGP boys have no trouble racing without radios so why can't the F1 boys?
     
  8. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Fair enough!

    There's no doubt they *could* do it if they wanted. And the "safety" argument is a non starter as they've already got status lights on the wheel; I know they "see" yellows, greens and I believe blues & the SC too.

    Another option may be they still have radios, but only Charlie is allowed to talk to them?

    As I said somewhere, it's one I could argue either way. But it does seem to me this driver coaching thing is a new development; I do think that should be outlawed, and seems that's what Charlie is trying to do.

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  9. fiorano94

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    The Charlie only option would be very interesting. Would certainly shake it up a bit.
     
  10. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    To dismiss the safety aspect is foolish IMO, and should not be even considered an option, why risk someones life for the sake of the show, emergency calls only, what's wrong with that, the other thing that could be a problem in clarification on whether a move made, fair overtaking, positioning on the track taking too much curb resulting in a penalty, a run off, was it a penalty drive through, apart from pit boards...it's just easier, box you keep cutting the corner bonehead.

    And the last thing I want, is races decided over the board room table

    The rest I can agree with.
     
  11. kraftwerk

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    I remember at Monaco I think, where a driver, may have been DC or Mika ran through a cloud of smoke from a blown engine fire I think, he didn't even slow down and was hailed very brave at the time, or foolish take ya pick.

    If there had been a driver stopped in the smoke, would a call to the driver be unreasonable telling him to slow down or stop. ..?
     
  12. Fast_ian

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    Oh, don't get me wrong - Safety has to be #1. But I think safety messages can get to them other ways.

    Couldn't agree more. Maybe "Charlie only" is the way to do it....

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  13. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    That's why we have yellow flags.....

    If he didn't slow down, he'd have a drive thru at least these days.

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  14. sammysaber

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    Tough one to call right indeed, but if team orders are allowed, fuel economy has come in, tyre degradation is still (albeit less) paramount, and you get double points at the last race, you might as well keep the current radio comms.

    Rather hear Kimi/Hamilton/Rosberg's/ etc. live transmissions rather than every scenario being dissected pre race, none of which we would be privy of.

    I'm always in awe of the drivers not only driving at the highest level and figuring out that steering wheel, but also dealing with the communication side of things as well, trying anything to eke out a tenth. Outstanding.

    Don't think that Whiting could handle so many calls going back and forth when a safety car is out from a practical point of view.

    Then again, no radio would have definitely led to some exciting scenarios.....

    Can't remember where, but remember Kimi doing just that.

    Best, Sammy
     
  15. Dakota

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    I don't understand. They are taking them away, but only a little bit? Next they we be using like codes in their sentences to get the message across.
     
  16. Fast_ian

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    I *believe* what they're trying to outlaw is real time "driver coaching";

    - "Nico is .3 quicker than you in sector 2"
    - "Lewis is 15kph faster entering turn x"
    - "You can get on the power earlier exiting turn y"

    OTOH, we should still get "Isobels Classics" such as;

    - "Use the magic paddle"
    - "Leave me alone" and
    - "Someone left a phone in my cockpit"

    :)

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  17. Remy Zero

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    I voted yes. However, i know it's not possible. IMO, they should just communicate safety messages via radio..i/e 'yellows at La Source' .. 'debris on turns 5-6..'

    The rest should be communicated via pit board. Stop spoiling them even further.
     
  18. toil

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    Keep em. Purely for entertainment value. I like listening to them.
     
  19. VIZSLA

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    Thanks for posting the pole Ian.
     
  20. Fast_ian

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    You're welcome! ;)

    Gotta be honest, I'm a little surprised at the results too; Seems the most popular is exactly what the FIA are trying to stop! Conversely, the least popular is what they're trying to do!.... Typical FIA I guess, :eek:

    From Autosport;

    So, it's seems the all time classic "Use the magic paddle" is out. :(

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  21. Bas

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    Not hungover today so here's my reasoning:

    It makes **** all difference whether they got told where they can improve or not. It's all fair game and open to everyone.

    They all get told exactly the same when they box and watch the telemetry. It saves a little time is all.
     
  22. Bas

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    Thanks.

    The most significant one is the start IMO since track temperature and surface can/will change a lot between Quali and race. Clutch temp is constantly monitored between the reconnaissance laps, formation lap and start to make sure the exact right bite point is selected to make a good start or not.
     
  23. VIZSLA

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    If not to please the fans whatever could be their motivation?
    ;)

    I don't see a return to pitboards as a viable alternative. Cars go by the pits too fast on many circuits for any meaningful information to be conveyed.
     
  24. Fast_ian

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    I know you're adamant they're doing it to try and "hurt" Merc, but I'm not buying that. I'm pretty sure they've all been doing it, we just get to hear theirs more because they're at the pointy end. Plus, the pissing contest between the two is really the only drama we've got right now, may as well play on it for our 'entertainment'.....

    Agreed. In fact, given the 'information center' they have on wheel now I'm a little surprised they still bother! They already know their pace, deltas and so on. Almost seems like a 'quaint' leftover from the old days.

    An earlier report (Autosport?) did note that 'listening to the radio has proven very popular with fans so they don't want to outlaw it completely'.

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  25. VIZSLA

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    Yeah, like they've never done it before.
    Suddenly Charlie gets radio religion?
    Not buyin that.
     

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