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'Super GP2' plan mooted to boost Formula 1 grid

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  1. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    'Super GP2' plan mooted to boost Formula 1 grid

    'Super GP2' plan mooted to boost Formula 1 grid - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com

    Formula 1's small teams say Bernie Ecclestone has floated a plan to boost the F1 grid with 'Super GP2' cars.
    During discussions between teams and Ecclestone at the Brazilian Grand Prix, one idea put forward was for a two-tier F1 to be created in the future.
    As well as the usual constructors, the grid could be filled with upgraded GP2-type single-make cars, which would be run by customer teams.
    Force India deputy team principal Bob Fernley said the idea had been laid out as a possibility, and that it had fuelled fears that Ecclestone wants the smaller teams out.
    "There is an alternative, which is 'Super GP2'," said Fernley. "It would be similar to a GP2 car with an upgraded engine.
    "The clear direction we are getting is that there is a desire to have five constructor teams and five customer teams, which will be the best way that they [the sport's owners] feel to go."
    Sauber team boss Monisha Kaltenborn thinks that the vision of a customer scenario like Super GP2 is worrying because it shows Ecclestone and CVC are looking at a future without smaller outfits.
    "Looking at the proposals which have been made, we have to believe that there is some agenda here," she said.
    "The agenda seems to be that people are looking at four or five names to remain in here and, when ideas are offered to us of a year-old chassis or engines which maybe are a different spec or whatever, or even a different series, there must be an agenda.
    "And since nobody is reacting to it in front we don't know whose agenda it is."
    She added that the current atmosphere and the nature of solutions being suggested was making progress tough.
    "These things are changing every day. But the fact is it cannot go on like this, it's no way we want to work and can work," said Kaltenborn.
    "The more these ideas are coming up, the more we three get the feeling that maybe some people don't want us to be around and maybe the sport is supposed to be changed in a very different way."
     
  2. crinoid

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    Fill the grid moving chicanes, huh? Wonderful idea.


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  4. Duck_Hollywood

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    this is very similar to what MotoGP as done, and it really does not work.
     
  5. crinoid

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    It's worked in F1 for decades and works for LeMans. Could attract Audi?
     
  6. william

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    Without the CRT bikes allowed, there would have been 10 bikes at most on the grid.
    The spectators wouldn't have come to watch a depleted field, and that would have been the end of motorcycle racing for the top category.
    The FIM was even talking about making SuperBike as the top GP category.
    Introducing CRT bikes was a solution to keep motorcycle racing alive, however imperfect it seems to you.

    F1 could adopt the same system, instead of burying its head in the sand.
     
  7. william

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    It has been done before: people forget that the 1952 and 1953 World Championships were raced under Formula 2 rules and not Formula 1.
    The reason was that there were not enough F1 cars available! Rings a bell perhaps?

    Also, F1 and F2 have sometimes been in the same race, like the German GP at the old Nurburgring.
    The F2s didn't disgrace themselves; many were faster than the F1s!
    In 1966, Jackie Ickx did the third fastest lap in practice, and a F2 finished 6th, I believe (Beltoise).
    The same happened the following year, when F2s were fighting on the track with most F1, and 3 finished among the first 10 cars.
    Mobile chicanes? I think not !
     
  8. maulaf

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    this is different times, brother... :) Nowadays drivers can't allow themselves a quick stop for a Schnitzel on the side of the road. Competition is much tighter and so is the effect of a less developed vehicle. Just look and the tiny bit of difference they call updates to squeeze another bit out of the car.
     
  9. 4rePhill

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    No thanks! - I'd rather watch F1 with three car teams than F1 with teams at the back pretending that they're F1 teams!

    Also, if you can have teams running standardised "super GP2" cars in F1, then why can't you have teams buying and running the previous seasons Ferrari/McLaren/Red Bull/Mercedes/Williams etc., or have them run a current season customer car?

    The argument against both has always been that it is a constructors Championship and so customer cars would not be eligible - So how can "super GP2" cars get round this problem and customer cars cannot? :confused:
     
  10. william

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    The problem is that with the level of technology reached and the budget necassary to substain it, there are just not 12 teams capable to be in F1.
    It's as simple as that!
    There are just 5 in the top league, the rest are mostly "no-hopers", as the numbers show.
    2014 started with 11 teams and finishes with 9.
    How many will be left at this rate at the end of 2015?
    Sauber, Force India and Lotus are aching badly.

    If nothing is done, more teams will be forced to leave.
    How long will people at the top keep their head in the sand?
     
  11. TifosiUSA

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    At least they would sound good. Obviously I don't want to see it come to this but the fact that ideas like this are even being floated shows the state of things at the moment.
     
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    Or they could just stop bleeding f1 dry and give the little teams some money. ️️Cvc have made a rediculously higj return off f1 and are not investing back into it.
     

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